You are correct Molly. I need the dose of optimism. I've been running low lately.
dj On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Molly Brogan<[email protected]> wrote: > > I am not sure that is what we are doing now, although I can see how it > would appear to be so. The stimulus now is much more dimensional and > reformational, although I wish we would reform banking and investing > and hope to see that come down the pike soon. We are in the middle of > economic transition that war will not pull us out of (as in the > past.) It will take synergy, collaboration, leadership and and > ingenuity. It does exist in the world, and if we are not dwelling so > much on the problems, we can participate in the transformation. Or > maybe atlas is about to shrug...which will take care of the whole > thing. Humans can be foolish and stubborn but are not limited to > that. > > On Jul 14, 4:38 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Vam, Arch's comment was a riff on a post I made about hanging >> monkey's(joke) in another thread. As for tradition, it is important >> and comforting, but there is also the aspect to it that becomes >> ridiculous and/or unnecessary. Like the woman when asked why she >> cuts the turkey a certain way before cooking says that's how Momma >> always did it. When Nana is asked she says, "Oh, we had to do it that >> way to make it fit in the oven." We are doing much the same thing now >> with the Maynard Keynes way of spending ourselves out of debt. >> Because that's how it's always been done(since the Depression). Never >> mind how much of a failure it was with Japan in the 90's and is >> currently failing the U.S. now. That is the tradition Arch is talking >> about. IMO. Humans can be foolish and stubborn. >> >> dj >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vamadevananda<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I find it extremely infantile, Neil, nay, outright moronic, when you >> > rail against tradition ! >> >> > I know, when I say, that the freedom and fundamental rights we have >> > and see today is a result of a long line of souls who 've tended to >> > those values for their entire lives, in their hearts and minds, down >> > the course of history, at much cost to their selves, even life / >> > lives. Jesus was one such, notwithanding Paul and centuries of >> > Christianity and Church ' tradition ' that since followed. There is >> > none greater than Jesus, who esposed the golden rule ... do unto >> > others ... .... at a time when it was not even appreciated by most, >> > especially the powerful, at the4 cost of his own life. Much of our >> > laws today are actually derived from that mother rule. >> >> > I laugh at puny minds and hearts such as we are, who complain of this >> > and that now, in the comfortable confines of our secure homes and >> > under the guaranteed protection of law none can go against today. That >> > security and that protection has been won at great cost, after much >> > tears and loss of blood, by people no longer remembered in our >> > tradition ... because, they lost then ... and, we all know, that >> > history is written by the victors. >> >> > You want more ... more freedom, more rights, more justice ... go >> > ahead. You're welcome. And, godspeed. But, for the sake of all of us, >> > please do not make a hero or martyr of yourself, when you are not. Not >> > yet, at least. >> >> > And, in the process of raising ourself, in that cause, we have no >> > business forgetting our roots, much less disowning them. They, the >> > forgotten, are the gods we'd do well to remember, while proceeding >> > with our tasks today. >> >> > No offense meant. Apologies nevertheless, for any hurt caused. >> >> > On Jul 14, 5:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It was a chimpanzee thought to be a French spy in Hartlepool Don. You >> >> colonials were, of course, still hanging horses until quite recently. >> >> Witches were also hung rather than burned, despite rumours to the >> >> contrary in horror films. Our collective traditional wisdom knows no >> >> bounds! >> >> >> On 14 July, 00:18, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > My views about wisdom: >> >> > Wisdom is the mental capacity of a wise person, whom when confronted >> >> > with a problem is able to solve it better then the average person. >> >> > His/her wisdom is usually an accumulated knowledge of all those events >> >> > that this person has lived during his/her life; therefore this wise >> >> > person is capable somehow of using this accumulated knowledge, and >> >> > when a problem arises he/she would be able to solve it better than the >> >> > others. >> >> > I don’t know exactly why one wise person becomes wiser than somebody >> >> > else, even though they might have lived most of the same events >> >> > together, so, I guess that some people are better able to assimilate >> >> > their knowledge, perhaps by storing the knowledge at the highest level >> >> > in their own mind, so, when the need arises they are able to use this >> >> > accumulated knowledge. >> >> > Since wisdom (accumulated knowledge) may be stored at one level higher >> >> > that just what we call reason, it may seem and feel like a sixth sense >> >> > to the wise man that has it. So, I would say that the wise man would >> >> > use reasoning just to back up his wisdom. >> >> > There is also a small possibility that the wise person may be able to >> >> > tune into the cosmos, which is thought that it may be able to store >> >> > the entire accumulated knowledge of everything just like God, this >> >> > thought of course gives rise to this question. >> >> > Is the cosmos an integral part of God of the universe? Well it may be >> >> > part of God. >> >> > But here we are talking about wisdom and not God. So the definition of >> >> > wisdom and where it comes from remains a mystery to me also. >> >> > These are my personal views about Wisdom. >> >> > My regards to Slip and members of the group >> >> > Manfraco. >> >> >> > On Jul 11, 11:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old age >> >> > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, it >> >> > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. Perhaps >> >> > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life. >> >> > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the >> >> > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and what >> >> > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having >> >> > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily >> >> > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that education >> >> > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I think >> >> > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. >> >> > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge >> >> > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The >> >> > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom are >> >> > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera etcetera >> >> > > ecetera. >> >> > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each time >> >> > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a problem, >> >> > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their world >> >> > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects that >> >> > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a >> >> > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can be >> >> > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. >> >> > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, >> >> > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and >> >> > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and each >> >> > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary part, >> >> > > just look at Lee and Ling. >> >> > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, >> >> > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life that >> >> > > is continually evolving. >> >> > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10 >> >> > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers everyone's >> >> > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like >> >> > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of >> >> > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. >> >> > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure you >> >> > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the Slippy >> >> > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) >> >> >> > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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