Chris - ah ha - creationism! I'm sure if we picked the right group of scientists we could also prove that the earth is flat. Jim
On Jul 23, 9:52 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > " Through research done in philosophical mathematics scientists > concluded that, the universe and world,so precisely constructed and > perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic fields, neutrons, protons, > particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that > made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a > supreme deity (God to the believers)" > This is a remarkably incomplete statement, Puppy. > > "Through research done in philosophical mathematics, an extremely small > and marginalized group of scientists have concluded that, the universe and > world,so precisely constructed and perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic > fields, neutrons, protons, > particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that > made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a > supreme deity (God to the believers)" > > Fixed it for you. > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM, puppy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Jane Goodall writes “Then there are the chimpanzee waterfall > > dances, which are a delight to witness. Sometimes a chimpanzee, > > usually an adult male will dance at a waterfall with total > > abandonment. Why? Could it be that it is a joyous response to being > > alive, or an expression of the chimpanzees awe of nature? Where, > > after all, might human spiritual impulses come from.“ > > Jane Goodall wonders whether these dances are indicative of > > religious behavior-precursors of religious ritual. She describes a > > chimpanzee approaching the falls, with slightly bristled hair, a sign > > of heightening arousal: As he gets closer, and the roar of the > > falling water gets louder, his paces quickens, his hair becomes fully > > erect, and upon reaching the stream performs a magnificent dance close > > to the foot of the falls. Standing up right, he sways rhythmically > > from foot to foot, stamping in the shallows, rushing water, picking up > > and throwing great rocks. This water fall dance may last ten or > > fifteen minutes. Chimpanzee also dance at the start of heavy rains > > and during violent gusts of winds. > > Goodall asks: “Is it possible that these performances are > > stimulated by feelings akin to wonder, awe and spiritual impulses?” > > After a waterfall dance the performer may sit on a rock, eyes > > following the falling water perhaps wondering: What is it, this > > water? Waiting for the moment of relevant. > > Through the application of mathematics science knows that water, a > > transparent liquid, is composed of oxygen and hydrogen, both gases and > > elements. Information the dancing Chimpanzee could not know. The > > Chimpanzee apparently thought the water was wonderment. > > Through research done in philosophical mathematics scientists > > concluded that, the universe and world,so precisely constructed and > > perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic fields, neutrons, protons, > > particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that > > made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a > > supreme deity (God to the believers) > > The phenomena's of miracles, intuition, mental telepathy, > > autism, mysticism, love, logic, well-being, soul and heart and all > > other mystical magic emotions have escaped the scientists mathematic > > equations and remain inexplicable. > > The spiritual wonder of the chimpanzees dance at the waterfall, > > spring and the silent beauty of a snowfall, remain in the magical > > domain of mother nature and the spiritual God. > > > On Jul 22, 11:21 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From another list I'm on...chimps may not be our closest relative after > > all? > > > > From the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review. Anyone interested in a pdf of the > > > original article please let me know. John Grehan > > > *Pitt anthropologist argues humans more like orangutans than chimps* > > > A University of Pittsburgh anthropologist argues in a paper published > > today > > > that humans most likely share a common ancestor with orangutans, and not > > > chimpanzees, which is the prevailing belief. > > > > Jeffrey H. Schwartz hopes the paper will get researchers to practice > > > fundamental science and question some assumptions. > > > "What I'll be happy with is if people actually think out of the box and > > > consider alternative theories of human relationships with apes," Schwartz > > > said Wednesday in a phone interview from Zagreb, Croatia. > > > > He concedes it won't happen overnight, but the paper in the Journal of > > > Biogeography that he co-authored could help, said Schwartz, who's the > > > president of the World Academy of Art and Science. > > > > "We've done the analysis," said John Grehan, who is the paper's other > > > co-author, director of science at the Buffalo Museum in New York and a > > > research associate at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. > > > > Jeffrey L. Boore, an adjunct biology professor at the University of > > > California-Berkeley who specializes in interpretive genome sequences, > > said > > > he knows of no strong reason to discount the DNA studies that have > > > demonstrated chimps and gorillas are more closely related to humans than > > > orangutans. > > > > "The overwhelming majority of those studies have given very strong > > support > > > to excluding orangutans from the human-chimp-gorilla group," said Boore, > > > who's also CEO of Genome Project Solutions, Inc., in Hercules, Calif. > > > > "If people disagree with it, they need to put out their evidence and let > > it > > > go back and forth," said Grehan, an entomologist who also studies the > > origin > > > and evolution of animals and plants. "But I think a lot of people are > > > incapable of dealing with it." > > > > That's because for years most of the scientific community accepted DNA > > > analyses that suggest humans are most closely related to chimps, Schwartz > > > and Grehan said. > > > > But an examination of fossil and other evidence shows humans and > > orangutans > > > share 28 features -- including reproductive systems, tooth structures and > > > mouth palates, the scientists say. > > > > Schwartz and Grehan write in their paper that humans share only two > > features > > > with chimpanzees and seven with gorillas. > > > "In science, you must integrate the fossil record with the living > > record," > > > Grehan said. "That's what we've done." > > > They propose a scenario that explains the migration of the > > human-orangutan > > > common ancestor from Southeast Asia, where modern orangutans are from. > > > > The molecular evidence that scientists commonly cite to demonstrate the > > link > > > between humans and chimps is flawed, Schwartz said. > > > > "Only 2 percent of the entire human genome can be verified," he said. > > "But > > > people are saying that chimps and humans share 98 percent of some portion > > of > > > that 2 percent to make their case." > > > > That's not good science, said Malte Ebach, a paleontologist at Arizona > > State > > > University's International Institute for Species Exploration, who, like > > > Grehan, studies the origin and evolution of animals and plants. > > > > "People think DNA data is better because they perceive it as > > technologically > > > superior and more progressive," Ebach said. "But technology doesn't make > > > data better." > > > > Schwartz proposed his human-orangutan theory in 1982. He wrote the book, > > > "The Red Ape: Orangutans and Human Origins," in 1986 that expanded on > > those > > > ideas. In 2005, Schwartz published and revised an updated version of the > > > book. > > > > The work was ignored as molecular studies came out that showed the > > > similarity between chimps and humans. > > > Grehan said alternative views should not be dismissed when a theory > > becomes > > > so accepted. > > > During the mid-20th century, scientists so fervently disagreed with > > Barbara > > > McClintock's theory that genes could move along a chromosome that she > > > stopped publishing, Grehan said. 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