" Through research done in philosophical mathematics scientists concluded that, the universe and world,so precisely constructed and perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic fields, neutrons, protons, particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a supreme deity (God to the believers)" This is a remarkably incomplete statement, Puppy.
"Through research done in philosophical mathematics, an extremely small and marginalized group of scientists have concluded that, the universe and world,so precisely constructed and perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic fields, neutrons, protons, particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a supreme deity (God to the believers)" Fixed it for you. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM, puppy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Jane Goodall writes “Then there are the chimpanzee waterfall > dances, which are a delight to witness. Sometimes a chimpanzee, > usually an adult male will dance at a waterfall with total > abandonment. Why? Could it be that it is a joyous response to being > alive, or an expression of the chimpanzees awe of nature? Where, > after all, might human spiritual impulses come from.“ > Jane Goodall wonders whether these dances are indicative of > religious behavior-precursors of religious ritual. She describes a > chimpanzee approaching the falls, with slightly bristled hair, a sign > of heightening arousal: As he gets closer, and the roar of the > falling water gets louder, his paces quickens, his hair becomes fully > erect, and upon reaching the stream performs a magnificent dance close > to the foot of the falls. Standing up right, he sways rhythmically > from foot to foot, stamping in the shallows, rushing water, picking up > and throwing great rocks. This water fall dance may last ten or > fifteen minutes. Chimpanzee also dance at the start of heavy rains > and during violent gusts of winds. > Goodall asks: “Is it possible that these performances are > stimulated by feelings akin to wonder, awe and spiritual impulses?” > After a waterfall dance the performer may sit on a rock, eyes > following the falling water perhaps wondering: What is it, this > water? Waiting for the moment of relevant. > Through the application of mathematics science knows that water, a > transparent liquid, is composed of oxygen and hydrogen, both gases and > elements. Information the dancing Chimpanzee could not know. The > Chimpanzee apparently thought the water was wonderment. > Through research done in philosophical mathematics scientists > concluded that, the universe and world,so precisely constructed and > perfectly balanced by gravity, electronic fields, neutrons, protons, > particles, molecules, sunlight, water, air and the 103 elements that > made earth and humans, was created by "intelligent design." i.e. a > supreme deity (God to the believers) > The phenomena's of miracles, intuition, mental telepathy, > autism, mysticism, love, logic, well-being, soul and heart and all > other mystical magic emotions have escaped the scientists mathematic > equations and remain inexplicable. > The spiritual wonder of the chimpanzees dance at the waterfall, > spring and the silent beauty of a snowfall, remain in the magical > domain of mother nature and the spiritual God. > > On Jul 22, 11:21 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > From another list I'm on...chimps may not be our closest relative after > all? > > > > From the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review. Anyone interested in a pdf of the > > original article please let me know. John Grehan > > *Pitt anthropologist argues humans more like orangutans than chimps* > > A University of Pittsburgh anthropologist argues in a paper published > today > > that humans most likely share a common ancestor with orangutans, and not > > chimpanzees, which is the prevailing belief. > > > > Jeffrey H. Schwartz hopes the paper will get researchers to practice > > fundamental science and question some assumptions. > > "What I'll be happy with is if people actually think out of the box and > > consider alternative theories of human relationships with apes," Schwartz > > said Wednesday in a phone interview from Zagreb, Croatia. > > > > He concedes it won't happen overnight, but the paper in the Journal of > > Biogeography that he co-authored could help, said Schwartz, who's the > > president of the World Academy of Art and Science. > > > > "We've done the analysis," said John Grehan, who is the paper's other > > co-author, director of science at the Buffalo Museum in New York and a > > research associate at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. > > > > Jeffrey L. Boore, an adjunct biology professor at the University of > > California-Berkeley who specializes in interpretive genome sequences, > said > > he knows of no strong reason to discount the DNA studies that have > > demonstrated chimps and gorillas are more closely related to humans than > > orangutans. > > > > "The overwhelming majority of those studies have given very strong > support > > to excluding orangutans from the human-chimp-gorilla group," said Boore, > > who's also CEO of Genome Project Solutions, Inc., in Hercules, Calif. > > > > "If people disagree with it, they need to put out their evidence and let > it > > go back and forth," said Grehan, an entomologist who also studies the > origin > > and evolution of animals and plants. "But I think a lot of people are > > incapable of dealing with it." > > > > That's because for years most of the scientific community accepted DNA > > analyses that suggest humans are most closely related to chimps, Schwartz > > and Grehan said. > > > > But an examination of fossil and other evidence shows humans and > orangutans > > share 28 features -- including reproductive systems, tooth structures and > > mouth palates, the scientists say. > > > > Schwartz and Grehan write in their paper that humans share only two > features > > with chimpanzees and seven with gorillas. > > "In science, you must integrate the fossil record with the living > record," > > Grehan said. "That's what we've done." > > They propose a scenario that explains the migration of the > human-orangutan > > common ancestor from Southeast Asia, where modern orangutans are from. > > > > The molecular evidence that scientists commonly cite to demonstrate the > link > > between humans and chimps is flawed, Schwartz said. > > > > "Only 2 percent of the entire human genome can be verified," he said. > "But > > people are saying that chimps and humans share 98 percent of some portion > of > > that 2 percent to make their case." > > > > That's not good science, said Malte Ebach, a paleontologist at Arizona > State > > University's International Institute for Species Exploration, who, like > > Grehan, studies the origin and evolution of animals and plants. > > > > "People think DNA data is better because they perceive it as > technologically > > superior and more progressive," Ebach said. "But technology doesn't make > > data better." > > > > Schwartz proposed his human-orangutan theory in 1982. He wrote the book, > > "The Red Ape: Orangutans and Human Origins," in 1986 that expanded on > those > > ideas. In 2005, Schwartz published and revised an updated version of the > > book. > > > > The work was ignored as molecular studies came out that showed the > > similarity between chimps and humans. > > Grehan said alternative views should not be dismissed when a theory > becomes > > so accepted. > > During the mid-20th century, scientists so fervently disagreed with > Barbara > > McClintock's theory that genes could move along a chromosome that she > > stopped publishing, Grehan said. 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