Welcome aboard and thanks for distinguishing individualism from the good for all philosophy. I would think that being an individualist is ultimately the better ideal but there must be some levels where the collective must take precedence. Considering that we all eat, food therefore should be grown, harvested and distributed according to the needs of the entire group and individualism from that point can determine what one chooses to eat or not eat, one example of course. I'm sure we can tack on housing and other collective needs that, as it stands now, is far from being available to all, ergo, the homeless, poverty and hunger problems. I'm sure that Madoff is quite the individualist and I hope he's enjoying his individual jail cell. Control seems to be a necessary function in life, everyone can't be captain of the ship. Even after a mutiny someone simply replaces the former controlling entity. Without control there is chaos, in fact we actually need control in order to have individualism. We have to control those who seek to enslave others. The problem is setting up the parameters, where the control begins and ends. This is for sure, as you say, where we must hope that those in control, those setting the parameters, have wisdom, fair and sound judgment.
On Jul 27, 1:05 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > I am new here. I like having control. My last post did not show up > so I looked at the guidelines (I really didn't think I would have to, > after all I am a wonderful human being.... sometimes) and I found > out that I am on "moderation" at the start (this is where I get to the > control issue) > > It is not a good feeling not being in control, but we do have > ultimate control over ourselves, barring an illness or mental chemical > fiasco, and that might be the only control we may get that we can rely > on. People are controlling. They often have good reasons. > Sometimes they are just jerks, but humans as a whole have > demonstrated over and over that they prefer to control other human > beings rather than let them do whatever they choose. It is a fine > line. Obviously, control can be good for some causes and not for > others. It might depend on whether you have an Egalitarian or a > "collective" type philosophy, with the "good for most" beliefs. > I really don't like that myself. I am an individualist. But I also > admit that some control is necessary. > > We can hope that the "people in control" have wisdom, fairness, > and sound judgement. When the hell has that ever happened in history? > No, seriously, sometimes it happens. Not often enough for me. (I am > not saying I have those qualities nor would know them if they ran me > over) > > On Jul 26, 5:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We had Molly's wonderful post gone chaotic concerning control and > > since then I thought of other aspects of control and being in control > > and whether or not we are supposed to be in control. > > I hear evangelists speak of turning your life over to God, letting the > > Holy Spirit guide you. I hear of following rules and regulations, > > laws and dictum of governing bodies. I ask myself, where is there any > > room left for us to have any control? > > This goes beyond the Molly post as being self and the awareness of > > decision that was made prior. Are we not mostly controlled beings? > > Isn't control limited to our personal space and even then limited to > > no one knowing about that space? Isn't it true, what has been said, > > that the only privacy we have is that which exists in our minds? But > > then again, when we talk about control, spiritual control, external > > control isn't that also a matter that is questionable? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
