I need to do my little joke here: it should be a cartoon, just poking innocent fun, I swear
Molly: "I want to raise awareness of my issue" Political advisor: "Ok, what is your issue?" Molly: " that humans are not aware that we are actually not in control of our own choices" Political advisor: "You know what? I might be able to run with that On Jul 30, 6:46 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I feel it is true that each time we make a choice, we are not > necessarily controlling. It was suggested to me in a different group > that "if you seek the control of something of any nature , that this > would be your ego wanting control and your ego would manifest whatever > it is you are putting the energy into. > I think that the ego has a measure of free will , but this in reality > is controlled by your concepts of reality. I think that the only true > free will would be obtained by someone who has an enlightened > consciousness and not bound by the frame work of the egoic mind." > > I sense some wisdom here, in that our need to possess and control may > indeed be an egoic impulse, feeding an egotistical self image. "The > more I have, the more what I say goes, the more that I dominate, the > bigger and stronger a person I am," would be the thoughts of an ego in > need of control, or out of control... > > I think that, beyond directing our thoughts, feelings and bodily > functions (hopefully for our betterment) - our economic systems give > us a sense of control. If I spend a year on a painting or a novel, it > is mine until I want to sell it and make my living on it. I have a > friend who rebuilds and restyles Detroit muscle cars, and makes a big > investment in time and money expressing his talent in this way. These > cars are indeed beautiful. I know he believes that these things are > his until he sells them and makes a profit. Are these aspects of > control, or economy? I think the control becomes egoic when we begin > to think in terms of limitation - if he has some then I have less. My > friend (although he doesn't) may feel the need corner the market on > remodeled muscle cars because no one else can do them justice. Or he > would only sell to white guys, because anyone else wouldn't appreciate > them (which makes no sense, and often, the ego in need of control > makes no sense.) > > Indeed, there are those of us that try to control our bodily functions > through ego - and the anorexic or bulimic eating disorder arises. > There are lots of interesting albeit destructive things that humans do > to their bodies to feel a sense of control, because there self image > dictates it. > > On Jul 30, 8:50 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lee, we can choose to eat more or less, choose to fast or starve, we > > can choose to sweat in the heat or hang out at the market freezer > > section. But these are not pertinent to the control issue in the > > context of this thread or my intended course of elicitation. > > Primarily we are looking at personal space, our self, our being, modus > > operandi, the whole concept of what we think and do and "Not" about > > our bowel movements, sweat glands or the control of such. > > Further to clarify, I did not say, as you put it, "some of us eat too > > much", I did say "........we eat more than is necessary to > > survive.......". This is not a definitive of what is "too much" > > eating. Personally I wouldn't want to live on the survival diet but > > just because I'm eating more than necessary for survival doesn't mean > > I'm eating too much. > > > On Jul 30, 4:02 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Well Slip, > > > > You have said yourself that perhaps ome of us eat too much. So there > > > must be an element of control there? If we can choose to eat less > > > then that is a choice we make and thus we can control that. > > > > You are correct though with the sweat thing, and altough it may appear > > > I'm being pedantic, what you say really just backs up what I say. The > > > issue is one of ultimate control of ourselves, if you cannot control > > > when and how much you sweat then surly the control of yourself that > > > you have is not ultimate huh? > > > > Ohh I was in fact a veggie for a few years, only because when I meet > > > the woman who would become my wife, she was one. > > > > On 27 July, 11:56, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Would you actually go that far as to say the necessity of eating is a > > > > control issue. You know you love your sausage grilled, butcher Lee, > > > > and the other cuts as well. I don't recall you being a vegan. > > > > But point is we love to eat, we choose to eat and fact is we eat more > > > > than is necessary to survive which makes it a definite "choice" and > > > > not a control. We might as well add in bodily functions as being a > > > > control thing if we look at it your way. Is it a control issue > > > > because I sweat when it is hot humid? > > > > > On Jul 27, 5:43 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I sorta agree with you. We are largly free where it really > > > > > matters, in the head. But do we really have ultimate control over > > > > > ourselves? > > > > > > I can't help but think that if I don't eat then I die, so there is no > > > > > control there at all, I must eat or die, this is not my choice and so > > > > > I have no control over it. > > > > > > On 27 July, 07:05, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I am new here. I like having control. My last post did not show up > > > > > > so I looked at the guidelines (I really didn't think I would have > > > > > > to, > > > > > > after all I am a wonderful human being.... sometimes) and I found > > > > > > out that I am on "moderation" at the start (this is where I get to > > > > > > the > > > > > > control issue) > > > > > > > It is not a good feeling not being in control, but we do have > > > > > > ultimate control over ourselves, barring an illness or mental > > > > > > chemical > > > > > > fiasco, and that might be the only control we may get that we can > > > > > > rely > > > > > > on. People are controlling. They often have good reasons. > > > > > > Sometimes they are just jerks, but humans as a whole have > > > > > > demonstrated over and over that they prefer to control other human > > > > > > beings rather than let them do whatever they choose. It is a fine > > > > > > line. Obviously, control can be good for some causes and not for > > > > > > others. It might depend on whether you have an Egalitarian or a > > > > > > "collective" type philosophy, with the "good for most" beliefs. > > > > > > I really don't like that myself. I am an individualist. But I also > > > > > > admit that some control is necessary. > > > > > > > We can hope that the "people in control" have wisdom, fairness, > > > > > > and sound judgement. When the hell has that ever happened in > > > > > > history? > > > > > > No, seriously, sometimes it happens. Not often enough for me. (I > > > > > > am > > > > > > not saying I have those qualities nor would know them if they ran me > > > > > > over) > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 5:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > We had Molly's wonderful post gone chaotic concerning control and > > > > > > > since then I thought of other aspects of control and being in > > > > > > > control > > > > > > > and whether or not we are supposed to be in control. > > > > > > > I hear evangelists speak of turning your life over to God, > > > > > > > letting the > > > > > > > Holy Spirit guide you. I hear of following rules and regulations, > > > > > > > laws and dictum of governing bodies. I ask myself, where is > > > > > > > there any > > > > > > > room left for us to have any control? > > > > > > > This goes beyond the Molly post as being self and the awareness of > > > > > > > decision that was made prior. Are we not mostly controlled > > > > > > > beings? > > > > > > > Isn't control limited to our personal space and even then limited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > no one knowing about that space? Isn't it true, what has been > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > that the only privacy we have is that which exists in our minds? > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > then again, when we talk about control, spiritual control, > > > > > > > external > > > > > > > control isn't that also a matter that is questionable?- Hide > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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