I think the "systems of operation" or models are in place whether or not we are aware of them. We choose (or not) self awareness and there is no limit to it - so we are always being called into a greater awareness. You seem to think that heaven on earth, or the "beautiful tones in unison" is only possible if the duality, evil and bad stuff, does not exist. While it is true that within the spectrum of humanity, there are infinite levels of awareness and states of consciousness, just as there are an infinite number of dimensions in physics terminology, it does not mean that anyone who views the world with unity consciousness does not also see everything that you do or is not "attuned" to all levels and dimensions. It means that someone with unity consciousness puts a different value on what you see as evil or problematic for humanity. You feel the discord because of your own tuning, not the worlds tuning. When I say we, you are right, I am saying that this is possible for everyone, whether each is yet aware or not, the potentiality is there and limitless. That doesn't mean the spectrum of human experience does not exist. It surely does.
On Jul 30, 12:11 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Meaning is such; > Most of humanity, in respect to the op content, is not attuned to the > cosmos, intellectualism, enlightenment. When you say "we" and I think > you are referring to the whole, and if so, the terms nor the model > which you present cannot be splayed in such simplistic form, people > just don't get it, if they did there wouldn't be any need for the op > nor would there be so much discord in the world. The entire planet > would be resounding with beautiful tones, in unison and enharmonic. > If you are referring to you and I with the term "we" then of course it > all is easy because you and I can understand the principles of which > we speak. Si? No? > > On Jul 30, 10:40 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "however what IS in cosmological terms is not in > > human terms," > > > not sure what you mean by this... > > > "as we can adjust and manipulate the obverse and reverse > > the apparent reality." We can use these tools of the ego, but do they > > obscure reality, or our own viewpoint? > > > On Jul 30, 11:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is all too true, however what IS in cosmological terms is not in > > > human terms, as we can adjust and manipulate the obverse and reverse > > > the apparent reality. Without notice, recognition and will, the > > > opportunity of change may lapse into obscurity, which is why we are > > > where we are now. Apathy, complacency, denial or all of the above and > > > more? > > > > On Jul 30, 9:02 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The positive and the negative are actually two different things ( yes, > > > > I know we are speaking of aspects of reality ), sort of incomparable, > > > > like oranges and mangoes, say, though both are fruits. Our knowledge > > > > of what the ' fruit ' is, analogous to " what is reality ?," cannot be > > > > had from what we know of orange and mango. > > > > > The positive and negative aspects of reality are also incomparably > > > > different by what they each do and mean to us. For me, the positive > > > > charges me up, the drive, and the negative draws my charge and > > > > consumes it. The positive leaves me happy, hopeful, strong. The > > > > negative calls me to action, of the body and the mind. In themselves, > > > > in what the positive and negative mean, there's nothing to compare. > > > > > In the process, I know my ' reality.' Like a battery, which makes the > > > > " charge " flow. It IS. IT, the universe, IS. > > > > > On Jul 30, 6:38 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > For clarification what I mean by "view" is "interpretation" so it is > > > > > not an interpretation but a reality. > > > > > I agree that I have excluded many other elements that present a more > > > > > positive perspective but my intent is to examine the increased > > > > > prevalence of indifference within society, the global society. Sure > > > > > we could talk about all the good stuff but that would conversely > > > > > exclude the negative aspect I'm trying to delve into. > > > > > > I notice there is a resistance to exploring the negative aspects of > > > > > the planet. I know it's a real bummer but it is there, it's not going > > > > > away and if we don't decipher the underlying mystery of this > > > > > increasing behavior the ramifications may be devastating. > > > > > > We can avoid the reality that (any industry) is rife with malpractice > > > > > by pointing out all the good things they do. It doesn't change the > > > > > "reality". > > > > > > As Orn points out, the schizophrenic tendency of society allows for > > > > > the dirt to get swept under the carpet. Obama as President does not > > > > > preclude the existence of the ongoing incidences of prejudice. Of > > > > > course we could choose to ignore and bask in the beautiful scenery > > > > > that we conjure up for ourselves. > > > > > > On Jul 30, 8:01 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On one hand: "The view is not cynical or pessimistic but a view of > > > > > > the > > > > > > "reality of > > > > > > the world" > > > > > > > On the other: The thread basis is that people are "not" interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > reconciliation, "each of us" is not relevant. <<slip > > > > > > > Seems contradictory to me, perhaps because I do not agree with your > > > > > > tread basis as a view of what people in general are not interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > and I certainly do not agree that each of us is not relevant. But I > > > > > > can understand how these premises lead to the viewpoint presented. > > > > > > > "My post is not a view, it's real time reality." Each of us, in our > > > > > > view, chooses those parts of our experience on which to focus our > > > > > > attention. In my opinion, your version of reality is incomplete, > > > > > > and > > > > > > is missing many of the better aspects of life, a few that are noted > > > > > > in > > > > > > my previous post. > > > > > > > Just to clarify - as I see it, the non dual viewpoint includes but > > > > > > is > > > > > > not limited to duality. That is to say, good and evil, or if your > > > > > > prefer, the good stuff and bad stuff in life are surely there. > > > > > > However, a non dual perspective does not include the emotional > > > > > > charge > > > > > > of good and evil - has a different value system and often assigns > > > > > > different meaning to the same events, based on a different set of > > > > > > beliefs. I know that to you, what you see in your viewpoint is your > > > > > > reality. The world, from my view, is very different, and I know > > > > > > that > > > > > > we have already agreed to disagree on this, my friend. > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 7:42 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 7:39 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the world. This is a very broad topic. Within it, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > bring up myriad other topics to support a cynical and > > > > > > > > pessimistic > > > > > > > > view. I too have moments of feeling like this but, lucky for > > > > > > > > me, they > > > > > > > > are brief and a broadening of view is where I find relief. > > > > > > > > The view is not cynical or pessimistic but a view of the "reality > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the world". Nothing was mentioned that doesn't exist and all is > > > > > > > available in one form of news or another. >>Slip > > > > > > > > > I think that for each of us, reconciling the world is the life > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > learning of reconciling the tree of the knowledge of good and > > > > > > > > evil > > > > > > > > (duality) with the tree of life (non dual). This one, age old, > > > > > > > > change in perspective makes all the difference in reconciling > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > world. It can also take a lifetime to understand and > > > > > > > > accomplish. > > > > > > > > Sounds like personal experience being generalized for the global > > > > > > > community. The thread basis is that people are "not" interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > reconciliation, "each of us" is not relevant. <<slip > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > gift of duality< > > > > > > > > Duality, good and evil is a "gift"? A gift from whom? > > > > > > > How is evil a gift? So we must have pain to understand joy?<<slip > > > > > > > > You use "we" and "us" quite often but I don't see the rest of the > > > > > > > world thinking on the same lines. Everyone does not understand > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > you and I do. <<slip > > > > > > > > I sure there are those who are exerting a great deal of effort but > > > > > > > that is nothing new, the religious community has been for > > > > > > > thousands of > > > > > > > years attempting to get people to reconcile, love one another, "do > > > > > > > unto others as....etc" , it's not working, it's dreamland fantasy > > > > > > > world. Fact is, it's getting worse because most see the > > > > > > > viability of > > > > > > > the alternative. My post is not a view, it's real time reality. > > > > > > > <<Slip > > > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Are we losing the ability to reconcile in the world? Have we > > > > > > > > > slipped > > > > > > > > > so far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness > > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > have simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are > > > > > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the > > > > > > > > > world. The > > > > > > > > > mindset of terrorism is anchored in the inability to allow > > > > > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > > to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and > > > > > > > > > violence > > > > > > > > > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the > > > > > > > > > harm > > > > > > > > > imposed upon the innocent bystanders. > > > > > > > > > Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering > > > > > > > > > upon those > > > > > > > > > who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down > > > > > > > > > directly and > > > > > > > > > discuss the problems. Politics seems to be leaning more > > > > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > > instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a > > > > > > > > > polarization of > > > > > > > > > society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger > > > > > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame. > > > > > > > > > Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > bullets? Our attempts to establish peaceful means of > > > > > > > > > resolution have > > > > > > > > > failed miserably because there is never a general consensus > > > > > > > > > on any > > > > > > > > > issue. We sanction and punish to no end in order to force > > > > > > > > > change but > > > > > > > > > to no avail. People are at war in every quadrant of the > > > > > > > > > planet while > > > > > > > > > new agitations are festering in the background waiting to > > > > > > > > > emerge as > > > > > > > > > full scale skirmishes.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
