“Yes, yes. Such a nincompoop he became President of the U.S. after being governor of Texas. A real moron.<-----sarcasm” – DJ
So, are you suggesting that it takes a person of higher standards to become president? We all know this is not the case. There have been very very poor presidents let alone presidents with very poor judgment or even business sense in the case of W. Look into his history. EVERY business he put his hands on failed from drilling for oil (dry wells) to baseball…even when his family helped him out, which was about all the time, most people would say that this person with a relatively low IQ wouldn’t even make a good small businessman in a small city. Yes, you can have a beer with him. Yes, he may be charming to some. (not to me) Yes, he may be “a good man that means well”. However, IF one uses that standard to elect a head of state alone, the result is obvious. Truth be told, I think that many of the worst leaders worldwide may have met that standard…and, yes, I include A. Hitler in that list. Oh, and Carter didn’t need to ‘just shut up and go away’ like W nor Nixon did. There is a difference between leaving office in disgrace and not doing so. And, no, I don’t believe conservatives hate poor people. In many ways, I think they are afraid of them and/or merely ignore them if possible. I say this having come from an upper class conservative Republican family. Most criticism about ‘hating the US’ is only a confusion and apparent conflation of addressing specific people and policies rather than the ideal. So, now that you ‘teased’ me into reading the link, do you disagree with my analysis of it? :-) On Jul 31, 3:38 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, yes. Such a nincompoop he became President of the U.S. after > being governor of Texas. A real moron.<-----sarcasm That said, it > is agreed he made some rather large mistakes during his career. > Without going into detail to defend him I feel it necessary to say > that I personally believe him to be a good man that means well. I'd > say the same thing about Carter if he'd just shut up and go away like > Bush has. > > On hating America. As it is common for those on the left to believe > us conservatives hate poor people it is just as common for those on > the right to believe the left hate the U.S.(but they support the > troops!) I felt I had to tease you into reading my link. Sometimes I > sweat and surf and pour over websites to find the perfect link and I > have a sneaking suspicion no one bothers to go and read it half the > time. :-( > > -Mewling Ant > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:21 AM, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Even with your smiley Don, I will say that I love America (USA)…and > > have never trashed it. I do call to attention that which I find to be > > ethically a problem. One general area is actions individuals take that > > cause additional suffering in the world. > > > Also, it is in this way that I found fault with the majority of Ws > > political declarations. This even though as is the case with most > > presidents these days he presented notions and ideology that was > > mostly formulated by his staff. Based on what I had read about him and > > his family many many years before he even ran for office, I could > > guess that unless he changed greatly, he would be the same bumbling > > and catastrophic decider he had been all of his lifetime. I always > > hoped for change, but, didn’t happen. He still exhibits signs of > > actual brain damage. > > > As to the article…as cogent as it appears, it is but the ravings of a > > loony! Ideologues are a dime a dozen…and this locally grown one has > > escaped across the pond…good luck law students in England! Yes, I do > > appreciate ethics…and it is something that we all need to contemplate. > > I’ve ranted for tariffs here numerous times. I’ve mentioned how the US > > (corporations) has raped and pillaged the planet too…all of this is > > obvious, unless one only gets their news from corporations. IF the US > > government began to abide by the laws and treaties it has signed > > tomorrow, the world would be a far better place. My lungs are not > > being held until this happens. Are yours? > > > Oh, and I couldn’t find anything in that article that even remotely > > guaranteed ‘the people’ received money for goods let alone being able > > to make the determination to sell. It did imply that world banks would > > receive a windfall if this fantasy were actualize though. > > > On Jul 30, 10:45 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 PM, > > >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > “…Broadly speaking, laws defending ownership stimulate economic > >> > growth.” – DJ > > >> > Don, quit true! And, let us not forget the rest of that equation, laws > >> > defending ownership stimulate poverty. > > >> Nein. > > >>http://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/05/12/leif-wenar/we-all-own-stolen-g... > > >> Very long but interesting. Trashes Bush and America in general. You > >> should enjoy it. ;-) > > >> dj > > >> > On Jul 30, 3:43 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I don't know the show or the character of the investigator but I'd > >> >> guess it was just a way to differentiate his victim(the one he's > >> >> assigned to) from some other murdered person. I don't see it as > >> >> claiming ownership. My brother, my sister, my school, my band, my job > >> >> etc. Doesn't so much claim ownership but more like claims belonging > >> >> and/or allegiance. > > >> >> I have learned it's generally not a good idea to grow attached to > >> >> 'things.' The only thing I might dash into a burning building to > >> >> retrieve is my guitar. A Gibson acoustic given as a wedding gift from > >> >> my wife. Beautiful mellow tonal quality. Superbly unique as well. > >> >> I'd never seen anyone with one until The Edge played one just like > >> >> mine at a late night U2 appearance on The Conan O'Brien Show a few > >> >> years ago. Judging by the serial number mine was the second one made. > >> >> I wouldn't take 10 thousand for it but I'm sure it's probably only > >> >> worth 2 or 3. I love that guitar and it is MINE. > > >> >> Now, when we get into property rights or Bush's theme of an 'ownership > >> >> society' we are talking about a whole different ball of wax I'm > >> >> assuming Fran wasn't really referring to. Someone has already stated > >> >> the relationship to freedom. This link helps describe some of the > >> >> reasons I happen to agree with this connection. Broadly speaking, > >> >> laws defending ownership stimulate economic growth. > > >> >>http://www.heritage.org/index/Default.aspx > > >> >> dj > > >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:50 AM, deripsni<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > I repeat, its the teams job, with the help of the community. If the > >> >> > lead investigator wants to the take the input and help of others and > >> >> > make it his/her own, in my mind thats the actions of an insecure > >> >> > person enforcing their position. If you prefer to see it differently, > >> >> > thats okay ;-] > > >> >> > On Jul 29, 7:47 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Could it possibly be you are taking that innocent little phrase a > >> >> >> tad too far? The lead investigator is in charge. I am grateful that > >> >> >> they take a strong personal responsibility to find out not only what > >> >> >> happened but to catch the murderer. To bring in the OJ case seems an > >> >> >> odd support piece of your argument. Catching the suspect with enough > >> >> >> evidence to go to court with is the guy's job, and that is the > >> >> >> beginning of justice yes, but not the final result. > > >> >> >> On Jul 29, 1:00 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > A homicide investigation typically involves many people, not just > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > lead investigator. He/She gets assigned to the case and its a team > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > community effort, not one persons. There is no "I" in team. Calling > >> >> >> > the victim "mine" seems to negate the involvement of the team and > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > community, without which many crimes would not get solved. Although > >> >> >> > the investigator may be on a truth finding mission, unfortunately > >> >> >> > justice isn't a police function, but a function of the court. > >> >> >> > Police > >> >> >> > worked very hard on the OJ case, but was justice a result of their > >> >> >> > efforts? > > >> >> >> > On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > Although I agree with your view on ownership, I do not agree at > >> >> >> > > all > >> >> >> > > with the following: > > >> >> >> > > On Jul 29, 5:04 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > > For example, on the "First 48" show the other day, the lead > > >> >> >> > > > homicide detective referred to the person who had been > >> >> >> > > > murdered as "my > >> >> >> > > > victim". Pesonally, I would think that if ownership of the > >> >> >> > > > victim were > >> >> >> > > > allotted to anyone, it would be family members. I think it > >> >> >> > > > would be > >> >> >> > > > safe to say that the person who said this is dwarfed by > >> >> >> > > > insecurity and/ > >> >> >> > > > or carried away by a need to reinforce his position of power. > > >> >> >> > > I don't see it that way in the least. This is a guy who is > >> >> >> > > commited to finding the killer of this person. He has made it > >> >> >> > > his > >> >> >> > > personal mission, he has "owned" that responsibility and takes > >> >> >> > > it > >> >> >> > > very seriously. Nobody else is going to do that job but him. > >> >> >> > > The > >> >> >> > > family is not equipped to do it. He is providing a service of > >> >> >> > > truth > >> >> >> > > finding and justice. Saying it another way might actually make > >> >> >> > > it > >> >> >> > > easier to not take it so seriously. 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