Guess again.
On Aug 1, 3:01 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Actually, I agree the guy's idea stinks. Tariffs are designed to
> bring economic advantage to the tariff maker, not some 3rd world
> country. It may be the single dumbest essay I've ever wasted my time
> reading. Frankly, I posted it for the title. I assumed(wrongly) no
> one would get past it. ;-)
>
> I won't engage in ad hominem attacks on Bush or Carter in this post.
> I will say many people that know anything about a >year-long hostage
> crisis and gas lines and energy price controls would say that
> President Carter left his one term in somewhat of a disgrace. Jus'
> sayin'. Been awhile since I've heard Bush compared to Hitler. This
> usually signals the end of debate so I shall abide by the precedent.
>
> It would be more accurate to say many liberals have a distaste or
> contempt for this country rather then a hatred. The World Apology
> Tours of '09 our leaders have engaged in is a testament to this. Your
> own rhetoric lends credence to this observation IMO but I'll take your
> word for it you love this country. Just not the way it is,
> apparently. ;-/
>
> Getting back to ownership. It seems obvious to me that most people
> take better care of what they've paid for. Making it theirs and
> assuming the responsibility for maintenance and repair. Giving people
> a stake in an enterprise motivates them to make sure said enterprise
> succeeds. If folks are used to getting stuff for free with no effort
> on their part what value do you think they place on what they receive?
> Seriously, you've spoken of your privileged youth in the past. What
> value did you place on nice clothes, fancy cars and club memberships?
> My guess would be not much. My impression of you is hemp wear and a
> tie-dye T-shirt and custom painted/peace symboled VW Bug.(how close
> did I get?) You can't really own what you haven't worked for or bleed
> for or at least taken care of for a few years. Them's my 2 bits.
>
> dj
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:48 PM,
>
> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > “Yes, yes. Such a nincompoop he became President of the U.S. after
> > being governor of Texas. A real moron.<-----sarcasm” – DJ
>
> > So, are you suggesting that it takes a person of higher standards to
> > become president? We all know this is not the case. There have been
> > very very poor presidents let alone presidents with very poor judgment
> > or even business sense in the case of W. Look into his history. EVERY
> > business he put his hands on failed from drilling for oil (dry wells)
> > to baseball…even when his family helped him out, which was about all
> > the time, most people would say that this person with a relatively low
> > IQ wouldn’t even make a good small businessman in a small city. Yes,
> > you can have a beer with him. Yes, he may be charming to some. (not to
> > me) Yes, he may be “a good man that means well”. However, IF one uses
> > that standard to elect a head of state alone, the result is obvious.
> > Truth be told, I think that many of the worst leaders worldwide may
> > have met that standard…and, yes, I include A. Hitler in that list.
>
> > Oh, and Carter didn’t need to ‘just shut up and go away’ like W nor
> > Nixon did. There is a difference between leaving office in disgrace
> > and not doing so.
>
> > And, no, I don’t believe conservatives hate poor people. In many ways,
> > I think they are afraid of them and/or merely ignore them if possible.
> > I say this having come from an upper class conservative Republican
> > family. Most criticism about ‘hating the US’ is only a confusion and
> > apparent conflation of addressing specific people and policies rather
> > than the ideal.
>
> > So, now that you ‘teased’ me into reading the link, do you disagree
> > with my analysis of it? :-)
>
> > On Jul 31, 3:38 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Yes, yes. Such a nincompoop he became President of the U.S. after
> >> being governor of Texas. A real moron.<-----sarcasm That said, it
> >> is agreed he made some rather large mistakes during his career.
> >> Without going into detail to defend him I feel it necessary to say
> >> that I personally believe him to be a good man that means well. I'd
> >> say the same thing about Carter if he'd just shut up and go away like
> >> Bush has.
>
> >> On hating America. As it is common for those on the left to believe
> >> us conservatives hate poor people it is just as common for those on
> >> the right to believe the left hate the U.S.(but they support the
> >> troops!) I felt I had to tease you into reading my link. Sometimes I
> >> sweat and surf and pour over websites to find the perfect link and I
> >> have a sneaking suspicion no one bothers to go and read it half the
> >> time. :-(
>
> >> -Mewling Ant
>
> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:21 AM, ornamentalmind<[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Even with your smiley Don, I will say that I love America (USA)…and
> >> > have never trashed it. I do call to attention that which I find to be
> >> > ethically a problem. One general area is actions individuals take that
> >> > cause additional suffering in the world.
>
> >> > Also, it is in this way that I found fault with the majority of Ws
> >> > political declarations. This even though as is the case with most
> >> > presidents these days he presented notions and ideology that was
> >> > mostly formulated by his staff. Based on what I had read about him and
> >> > his family many many years before he even ran for office, I could
> >> > guess that unless he changed greatly, he would be the same bumbling
> >> > and catastrophic decider he had been all of his lifetime. I always
> >> > hoped for change, but, didn’t happen. He still exhibits signs of
> >> > actual brain damage.
>
> >> > As to the article…as cogent as it appears, it is but the ravings of a
> >> > loony! Ideologues are a dime a dozen…and this locally grown one has
> >> > escaped across the pond…good luck law students in England! Yes, I do
> >> > appreciate ethics…and it is something that we all need to contemplate.
> >> > I’ve ranted for tariffs here numerous times. I’ve mentioned how the US
> >> > (corporations) has raped and pillaged the planet too…all of this is
> >> > obvious, unless one only gets their news from corporations. IF the US
> >> > government began to abide by the laws and treaties it has signed
> >> > tomorrow, the world would be a far better place. My lungs are not
> >> > being held until this happens. Are yours?
>
> >> > Oh, and I couldn’t find anything in that article that even remotely
> >> > guaranteed ‘the people’ received money for goods let alone being able
> >> > to make the determination to sell. It did imply that world banks would
> >> > receive a windfall if this fantasy were actualize though.
>
> >> > On Jul 30, 10:45 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 PM,
>
> >> >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> > “…Broadly speaking, laws defending ownership stimulate economic
> >> >> > growth.” – DJ
>
> >> >> > Don, quit true! And, let us not forget the rest of that equation, laws
> >> >> > defending ownership stimulate poverty.
>
> >> >> Nein.
>
> >> >>http://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/05/12/leif-wenar/we-all-own-stolen-g...
>
> >> >> Very long but interesting. Trashes Bush and America in general. You
> >> >> should enjoy it. ;-)
>
> >> >> dj
>
> >> >> > On Jul 30, 3:43 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> I don't know the show or the character of the investigator but I'd
> >> >> >> guess it was just a way to differentiate his victim(the one he's
> >> >> >> assigned to) from some other murdered person. I don't see it as
> >> >> >> claiming ownership. My brother, my sister, my school, my band, my
> >> >> >> job
> >> >> >> etc. Doesn't so much claim ownership but more like claims belonging
> >> >> >> and/or allegiance.
>
> >> >> >> I have learned it's generally not a good idea to grow attached to
> >> >> >> 'things.' The only thing I might dash into a burning building to
> >> >> >> retrieve is my guitar. A Gibson acoustic given as a wedding gift
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> my wife. Beautiful mellow tonal quality. Superbly unique as well.
> >> >> >> I'd never seen anyone with one until The Edge played one just like
> >> >> >> mine at a late night U2 appearance on The Conan O'Brien Show a few
> >> >> >> years ago. Judging by the serial number mine was the second one
> >> >> >> made.
> >> >> >> I wouldn't take 10 thousand for it but I'm sure it's probably only
> >> >> >> worth 2 or 3. I love that guitar and it is MINE.
>
> >> >> >> Now, when we get into property rights or Bush's theme of an
> >> >> >> 'ownership
> >> >> >> society' we are talking about a whole different ball of wax I'm
> >> >> >> assuming Fran wasn't really referring to. Someone has already stated
> >> >> >> the relationship to freedom. This link helps describe some of the
> >> >> >> reasons I happen to agree with this connection. Broadly speaking,
> >> >> >> laws defending ownership stimulate economic growth.
>
> >> >> >>http://www.heritage.org/index/Default.aspx
>
> >> >> >> dj
>
> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:50 AM, deripsni<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > I repeat, its the teams job, with the help of the community. If the
> >> >> >> > lead investigator wants to the take the input and help of others
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > make it his/her own, in my mind thats the actions of an insecure
> >> >> >> > person enforcing their position. If you prefer to see it
> >> >> >> > differently,
> >> >> >> > thats okay ;-]
>
> >> >> >> > On Jul 29, 7:47 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Could it possibly be you are taking that innocent little phrase
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> tad too far? The lead investigator is in charge. I am grateful
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> they take a strong personal responsibility to find out not only
> >> >> >> >> what
> >> >> >> >> happened but to catch the murderer. To bring in the OJ case
> >> >> >> >> seems an
>
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>
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