The point for me Molly, is that a person may be unconscious, unaware of the need and so therefore is at the mercy of the healing method. It doesn't matter what the person believes or the degree of their faith when they are injured and unconscious. So wouldn't it be better to pursue proven medical methods of healing rather that rely on hope. Gangrene is a real thing, why take the chance on a prayer when there "IS" medicinal remedy?
On Aug 5, 3:27 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > looking at that concept one should be aware as Fraud put it > > Very funny Freudian slip... > > yes, there are aspects of our psychology that prevent us from healing, > fear and doubt among the biggest. While modern medicines can blur > them, they cannot vanquish them. Only we ourselves can do that. > > On Aug 5, 4:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Molly I know it is As I read through what was said. and recalling what you > > said earlier. > > > All healing comes from within including injections they assist the inner > > healing. > > > The problem that is faced is barriers people put up with in themselves. > > Those barriers are at the very formation of being and can prevent > > spontaneous healing. Within some natural cultures where there are medicine > > men present the relative health is quite good , then again they are > > operating on a different plane. We both know if a person wants to become a > > shaman it is possible to do just that. All though there is a personal > > feeling within me that there are shaman that are born that way . Within them > > lay tremendous focal points of being. > > > Then there is also the feeling we fail to grow within from illness and > > injury but in looking at that concept one should be aware as Fraud put it > > :"Sometime a cigar is just a cigar." > > Allan > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "Finding one of these people is very difficult. It is far easier to > > > become > > > one, " > > > > Which isn't easy at all (but I know you know that Allan.) > > > > Slips question was, I think, - if this can occur, why doesn't it > > > always occur when we require healing? It is called "faith" healing > > > because it requires a leap of faith, a foundation of belief, a trans- > > > rational knowing that the state of health is the current state, or > > > "now" on every level, including physical. It requires a state of > > > knowing that there is no illness and no healing, only current health. > > > Why can't every one, even those who practice prayer achieve this? > > > Maybe they are praying for healing of an illness and getting more > > > illness and healing. Maybe because this state of consciousness and > > > level of integration is quite rare difficult to sustain throughout a > > > lifetime. If there is a lingering doubt or fear that spontaneous > > > healing cannot or will not occur, or some psychological reason for a > > > person to be pulled back into the rational or pre rational mode of > > > thought, it will not occur. Even the level of consciousness necessary > > > to transcend our doubts and fears requires crossing the threshold from > > > duality to non duality and not all of us can make this leap, but more > > > and more all the time. > > > > For myself, I have been able to achieve a remarkable healthy state > > > after a sickly childhood and early adulthood, after , as Richard > > > Reynman would say, taking the world from another point of view, and > > > beginning a health regime that included revamping my beliefs and self > > > image to include a picture of perfect health. From time to time, and > > > during the greatest stress, I will still get headaches. And I continue > > > to make a consolidated effort to improve my digestion. But I find > > > that as the way that I digest life changes, so to speak, so does the > > > way my body digest the food I eat. > > > > I have had and been privileged to witness spontaneous healing. All I > > > can say is, if you are truly open to it, there are avenues for you to > > > pursue all around you. The more open you are open to it, the more > > > evidence of this will come into your experience. But it is up to > > > YOU. It is not up to anyone else to double bind prove it to you. It > > > is not up to anyone else to heal you (although people can assist you > > > because we work better in groups.) When the chips are down, and like > > > Gregg Braden who had been lecturing about the spontaneous healing of a > > > bladder tumor for years, and the diagnosis of of bladder tumor is > > > coming out of your doctors mouth right now - only you can quell that > > > doubt and fear and muster the state of being required to restore > > > health. Interesting that that was his message all along and he was > > > given a chance to prove it to himself. > > > > I would also like to note that while I followed the current medical > > > model, my health never really improved but rather, took a slow > > > downward spiral. Medication can often cause momentary alleviation of > > > symptoms, but the root cause may not be resolved. I can still take an > > > aspirin for a headache, but that doesn't give me an answer as to why > > > they occur during stress or resolve the problem of their occurrence > > > for me. Can you prove to me that the reason that antibiotic stops > > > infection is NOT because the patient believes that it will? Placebo > > > is powerful, but like prayer, not always effective because there are > > > aspects of the mystery present but not accounted for. > > > > I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Once achieving this level of > > > consciousness and state of health, the last thing I want to do is > > > spend my time proving it to other people, and end up like Elisabeth > > > Targ of Gregg Branden, saddled with the very illness that is the focus > > > of my thoughts and efforts in proving it to you. Once you can and do > > > achieve health through spontaneous healing, you know it is time to > > > move beyond - onward to the greater mystery! The potentiality is > > > there for everyone and each, in their own time, will discover it. > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
