I think it is always prudent and important to pursue the most effective means of healing available to a person at the time. Again, don't think that "prayer" is always the means of spontaneous healing. But yes Slip, if a person is unable to heal themselves, they should pursue the most effective means possible to them. If anything other than modern medicine is "taking a chance," which seems to indicate a level of doubt, I would not pursue it. When you have no doubt, try it.
On Aug 5, 5:46 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The point for me Molly, is that a person may be unconscious, unaware > of the need and so therefore is at the mercy of the healing method. > It doesn't matter what the person believes or the degree of their > faith when they are injured and unconscious. So wouldn't it be > better to pursue proven medical methods of healing rather that rely on > hope. Gangrene is a real thing, why take the chance on a prayer when > there "IS" medicinal remedy? > > On Aug 5, 3:27 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > looking at that concept one should be aware as Fraud put it > > > Very funny Freudian slip... > > > yes, there are aspects of our psychology that prevent us from healing, > > fear and doubt among the biggest. While modern medicines can blur > > them, they cannot vanquish them. Only we ourselves can do that. > > > On Aug 5, 4:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Molly I know it is As I read through what was said. and recalling what you > > > said earlier. > > > > All healing comes from within including injections they assist the inner > > > healing. > > > > The problem that is faced is barriers people put up with in themselves. > > > Those barriers are at the very formation of being and can prevent > > > spontaneous healing. Within some natural cultures where there are medicine > > > men present the relative health is quite good , then again they are > > > operating on a different plane. We both know if a person wants to become a > > > shaman it is possible to do just that. All though there is a personal > > > feeling within me that there are shaman that are born that way . Within > > > them > > > lay tremendous focal points of being. > > > > Then there is also the feeling we fail to grow within from illness and > > > injury but in looking at that concept one should be aware as Fraud put it > > > :"Sometime a cigar is just a cigar." > > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Finding one of these people is very difficult. It is far easier to > > > > become > > > > one, " > > > > > Which isn't easy at all (but I know you know that Allan.) > > > > > Slips question was, I think, - if this can occur, why doesn't it > > > > always occur when we require healing? It is called "faith" healing > > > > because it requires a leap of faith, a foundation of belief, a trans- > > > > rational knowing that the state of health is the current state, or > > > > "now" on every level, including physical. It requires a state of > > > > knowing that there is no illness and no healing, only current health. > > > > Why can't every one, even those who practice prayer achieve this? > > > > Maybe they are praying for healing of an illness and getting more > > > > illness and healing. Maybe because this state of consciousness and > > > > level of integration is quite rare difficult to sustain throughout a > > > > lifetime. If there is a lingering doubt or fear that spontaneous > > > > healing cannot or will not occur, or some psychological reason for a > > > > person to be pulled back into the rational or pre rational mode of > > > > thought, it will not occur. Even the level of consciousness necessary > > > > to transcend our doubts and fears requires crossing the threshold from > > > > duality to non duality and not all of us can make this leap, but more > > > > and more all the time. > > > > > For myself, I have been able to achieve a remarkable healthy state > > > > after a sickly childhood and early adulthood, after , as Richard > > > > Reynman would say, taking the world from another point of view, and > > > > beginning a health regime that included revamping my beliefs and self > > > > image to include a picture of perfect health. From time to time, and > > > > during the greatest stress, I will still get headaches. And I continue > > > > to make a consolidated effort to improve my digestion. But I find > > > > that as the way that I digest life changes, so to speak, so does the > > > > way my body digest the food I eat. > > > > > I have had and been privileged to witness spontaneous healing. All I > > > > can say is, if you are truly open to it, there are avenues for you to > > > > pursue all around you. The more open you are open to it, the more > > > > evidence of this will come into your experience. But it is up to > > > > YOU. It is not up to anyone else to double bind prove it to you. It > > > > is not up to anyone else to heal you (although people can assist you > > > > because we work better in groups.) When the chips are down, and like > > > > Gregg Braden who had been lecturing about the spontaneous healing of a > > > > bladder tumor for years, and the diagnosis of of bladder tumor is > > > > coming out of your doctors mouth right now - only you can quell that > > > > doubt and fear and muster the state of being required to restore > > > > health. Interesting that that was his message all along and he was > > > > given a chance to prove it to himself. > > > > > I would also like to note that while I followed the current medical > > > > model, my health never really improved but rather, took a slow > > > > downward spiral. Medication can often cause momentary alleviation of > > > > symptoms, but the root cause may not be resolved. I can still take an > > > > aspirin for a headache, but that doesn't give me an answer as to why > > > > they occur during stress or resolve the problem of their occurrence > > > > for me. Can you prove to me that the reason that antibiotic stops > > > > infection is NOT because the patient believes that it will? Placebo > > > > is powerful, but like prayer, not always effective because there are > > > > aspects of the mystery present but not accounted for. > > > > > I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Once achieving this level of > > > > consciousness and state of health, the last thing I want to do is > > > > spend my time proving it to other people, and end up like Elisabeth > > > > Targ of Gregg Branden, saddled with the very illness that is the focus > > > > of my thoughts and efforts in proving it to you. Once you can and do > > > > achieve health through spontaneous healing, you know it is time to > > > > move beyond - onward to the greater mystery! The potentiality is > > > > there for everyone and each, in their own time, will discover it. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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