We've had numerous exchanges you and I concerning dreams, I was most intrigued by your ability to revisit lucid dreams. You stated.......... "With the rational mind stepping aside as it does, possibility opens wide. Lucid dreaming leads the way to creative dreaming - meaning that once you can return to a lucid dream state at will, you realize that the dream is anything you want it to be and the dream state becomes your canvass." I found this to be very intriguing and somewhat the premiss of the movie "Dreamscape", though I've not been able to achieve that level of dreaming. Still, as you know of some of my dreams they can be very powerful. You said that the dream state and the dream experience are not just a part of your subconscious but a more important and substantial part of your being. You stated........... "If you take a contemplation into sleep, and also contemplate it in the first moments of waking - if you do this for long enough, you will discover not only what you are contemplating, but the processes of discovery. In this way you recover parts of yourself - like a puzzle that completes itself as you live life with heart and soul." This is definitely integrating the dream realm with the conscious state. I'm wondering if there is a correlation to the Freudian concept of disclosing parts of the self and the repressed parts of the self. Let's not forget the repression of shadow traits in Jungs theory. In the op I did mention the aspect of time in this dimension so I'm now also wondering about time in dreams. If you are returning to a lucid dream as you say, what is the time element? Obviously if we are experiencing a lucid dream at different time within our world, let's say one in June and the same dream in March of the following year, then the actual setting of the dream itself has no established time line. Could it be that the dream is taking place in the past, in the future?
So is quantum travel validated in the dream state, which may or may not occur in a cosmic dimension as portrayed by various quantum and string theories? With the numerous variations in these principles it is hardly possible to pinpoint anything exacting, therefore much of it remains as hypothetical as quantum travel itself. In threads like these it is often advantageous to have those who have better insight into the intricacies involved. Einsteins geometric interpretation of gravitation which is the basis of his theory of relativity and other cosmological principles do not really have much substance for me to work with when trying to create a synthesis with dreams and quantum travel. Perhaps Pat Harrington could put it together better, theoretically speaking. I guess he's working on his book. I'm just a simple man who is lucky to have survived Woodstock. On Aug 14, 3:33 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > It is fascinating that you have confused me with one of the characters > in my books, but I have had people wonder if the books are > autobiographical, and they are not, although I do draw on life > experience when writing them. Thank you for reading whatever parts > you did, Slip! I am actually one of seven children (middle child > oldest girl.) The only dream journal I ever kept was written briefly > in college, and I did learn quite a bit from looking at the patterns > in dreams over time. This is something I would suggest to anyone > interested in exploring their dreams. We all have our own asemic > symbolism in our dreams, and I think it may even change a bit over > time. The study of our own dream journals can teach us a great deal > about ourselves. > > What did you mean by "cosmic dimension?" > > On Aug 14, 3:39 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You contributed extensively in the original thread without any > > misunderstanding. You are one of 7 children, you have an huge > > compilation of dreams that your mother urged you to keep record of. > > You include dreams in your writings and so have a clear understanding > > of dreams being part of the fabric of our lives. > > My thought was clear in that quantum travel in not possible but > > perhaps it is possible within the dream state the dream world or > > whatever label you would assign to it. > > > On Aug 14, 8:10 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Can quantum time travel be validated in the > > > dream realm through cosmic dimension? > > > > I don't understand your question, Slip. How do we validate through, > > > and what is cosmic dimension. > > > > It is unfortunate that the conversations about dreams in this group > > > are gone, they were good. As you know, I do believe that lucid > > > dreaming and creative dreaming are important to us. Not only is our > > > nigh time activity (on the most subtle levels) restorative, but I > > > think that those eternal aspects of self speak to us, are unbound by > > > the rational mind, and prepare for our next day of being. > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious > > > > mind > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first > > > > planetary system that really > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the > > > > future > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards > > > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or > > > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as > > > > a time machine. > > > > > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some > > > > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing > > > > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it > > > > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time. > > > > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and > > > > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that > > > > time. > > > > > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that > > > > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for > > > > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically > > > > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the > > > > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance > > > > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical > > > > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture > > > > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment. > > > > > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia > > > > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient > > > > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The > > > > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens > > > > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day. > > > > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden > > > > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God, > > > > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew > > > > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires > > > > interpretation. > > > > > Freud, of course, did not link dreams to the holy, which he regarded > > > > as an illusion. He worked to put dream interpretation on a scientific > > > > footing, transposing the religious dimension of dreams into a > > > > psychological reality. Dreams were taken to be disclosure of the > > > > denied part of the self particularly the self’s repressed desires. > > > > Though he transposed dreams from religious to psychological realities, > > > > Freud nonetheless utilized a rabbinic-midrashic interpretive method, > > > > which involved a patient probing of multi-layered meanings and the > > > > inscrutable, enigmatic dimensions of life. Dreams, like ancient texts, > > > > require imaginative interpretation in order for us to receive what > > > > they disclose. > > > > > Personally I stand ambivalent in this area of the scientific or > > > > spiritual approach to dreaming. I know that I have experienced > > > > powerful dreams, some of which seem as though I am physically > > > > somewhere else, while others appear as I'm without physical form but > > > > merely a detached consciousness beyond the actual location of my > > > > physical being. What remains as the most difficult task is not only > > > > the interpretation of dreams but what to do with the knowledge > > > > attained in the dream state. > > > > > Perhaps theories of time travel are validated within the realm of > > > > dream states through cosmic dimensions. > > > > > There was a movie released in 1984 titled Dreamscape in which people > > > > endowed with psychic abilities were used, in a dream lab study, to > > > > enter into the dream of another person thereby helping to dissolve > > > > reoccurring nightmares. Upon entering the dream the psychic could > > > > physically move about with the patient in the patients dream with the > > > > objective of confronting the cause of the nightmare. Of course there > > > > are the devious characters who in the plot try to utilize the psychics > > > > for their own agenda. But aside from that I found the concept very > > > > interesting as it presents the aspect of a control mechanism > > > > pertaining to the dream state. Imagine that you could fall asleep and > > > > direct yourself to the Olympic games for a few hours and then upon > > > > waking up remembering it all as a dream. This would be the ultimate > > > > achievement of dream study. > > > > > If I have a dream that I am smoking a cigarette, I may be in a state > > > > of consciousness without a physical form or more or less tuning into > > > > the conscious physical form of another person who is smoking a > > > > cigarette. Unless I can identify my physical form within a dream, and > > > > establish that it is actually me, then it can possibly be determined > > > > that the experience is that of someone else. Let's say someone is > > > > standing on a beach smoking, that person's mental energy becomes part > > > > of the universal cosmic energy field. I fall asleep and my > > > > subconscious becomes temporarily attuned to that person > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
