“Don't you think that Molly was referring to, as stated "what we DO in dreams" to that which was part of using the dream realm as a canvass, to have some control in what we do. Your convoluted interpretation is whatever "happens in dreams". Obviously there is a huge difference.” – SD
No slip, I don’t and didn’t think that is/was what Molly was referring to. Perhaps you/we should ask her. I see nothing convoluted at all about interpreting “teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do not require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't in waking life….”, as having the meaning I asked her about. This especially since she continues with the overall notion of not having limits, in dreams nor the awake state. So, my question was directed directly to what I saw/understood. I say this because I have had conversations in the past and heard from teachers things about the different laws involved in dreams. One example was that one can walk through walls in a dream. Of course, like all of us, it is all too easy to see the present in terms of our past. But in direct response to your question Slip, no. I do many things in dreams, don’t you? Oh, and one of those teachers I mentioned is a mystic too…so at least in that sense we are on the same page. On Aug 15, 3:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't you think that Molly was referring to, as stated "what we DO in > dreams" to that which was part of using the dream realm as a canvass, > to have some control in what we do. > Your convoluted interpretation is whatever "happens in dreams". > Obviously there is a huge difference. > > Molly's statement regarding teleportation and bi-location is clear, > they are "mystical" traditions which do not require dreaming, > according to those who follow such traditions. Sort of like some > Indian cultures that achieve Peyote heaven. > > Think of all the things that humanity dreamed of centuries ago, dreams > that were subject to much scrutiny, ridicule and punishment, even > death. Dreams that we are living today, Orn. It's just that now we > take it all for granted, like it always existed. > > If you traveled back in time you probably wouldn't last more than a > day if you start telling people about flying to the moon, airplanes, > television, cell phones, electricity and microwaves. That is just > scratching the surface of all the futuristic things we are living > with. > > On Aug 15, 2:38 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, I see. Sorry. I thought you were serious about the notion of > > teleportation and bi location. Based on your response I guess not. > > > Thanks for the laugh! > > > On Aug 15, 11:10 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > might want to ask Chriss Angelhttp://www.crissangel.com/ aside from > > > the goth and theatrics, he seems to be able to do it! > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't in > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a dream, > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here? > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do not > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious thought > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken him to a > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are everyone > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the oneness. I > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was > > > > > > presenting, > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an > > > > > > impending > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, > > > > > > what > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of > > > > > > well > > > > > > being? > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible > > > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you > > > > > > really > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really > > > > > > you > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in > > > > > > Japan? > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that > > > > > > is > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be > > > > > > > bizarre > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or > > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case > > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes > > > > > > > them, but > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt > > > > > > > disorientation, > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. > > > > > > > Interesting > > > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of > > > > > > > > an old > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the > > > > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't > > > > > > > > find any > > > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am > > > > > > > > physically in > > > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my > > > > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > > > > > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of > > > > > > > > our own > > > > > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > planetary system that really > > > > > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for > > > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the > > > > > > > > hypothetical > > > > > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. > > > > > > > > Therefore, I > > > > > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > > > > > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part > > > > > > > > of our > > > > > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept > > > > > > > > of time > > > > > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of > > > > > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending > > > > > > > > objects (or > > > > > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment > > > > > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least > > > > > > > > not at > > > > > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also > > > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a > > > > > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th > > > > > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably > > > > > > > > possible given > > > > > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as > > > > > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general > > > > > > > > relativity, it is > > > > > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow > > > > > > > > backwards > > > > > > > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or > > > > > > > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is > > > > > > > > known as > > > > > > > > a time machine. > > > > > > > > > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some > > > > > > > > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different > > > > > > > > time. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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