Dream is a phenomena of the ego ( soul ), by the ego ( soul ), and for the ego ( soul ). It shows both the character and the nature of the ego, which is the dream, the character(s) in the dream, and the dreamer !
It takes place in the mental space ... er, subtle, and entirely another, to the gross space. Just as the sun lits up the gross space, so does the ego in subtle. Dreams are full of meanings ... of past, present and future ... of soft transcendence or merger of differentiations, limits, distinctions, identities, species, feelings, stereotype, timelines, etc. The rules for interpreting dreams cannot learnt or extrapolated from what we know from our usual wakeful state experience. Dreams reveal our nature, of the ego - self, on the way beyond ... to the one without a second. On Aug 16, 9:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “Don't you think that Molly was referring to, as stated "what we DO in > dreams" to that which was part of using the dream realm as a canvass, > to have some control in what we do. Your convoluted interpretation is > whatever "happens in dreams". Obviously there is a huge difference.” – > SD > > No slip, I don’t and didn’t think that is/was what Molly was referring > to. Perhaps you/we should ask her. I see nothing convoluted at all > about interpreting “teleportation and bi location are mystical > traditions that do not require dream. I don't think there is anything > we do in dream that we can't in waking life….”, as having the meaning > I asked her about. This especially since she continues with the > overall notion of not having limits, in dreams nor the awake state. > So, my question was directed directly to what I saw/understood. I say > this because I have had conversations in the past and heard from > teachers things about the different laws involved in dreams. One > example was that one can walk through walls in a dream. Of course, > like all of us, it is all too easy to see the present in terms of our > past. But in direct response to your question Slip, no. I do many > things in dreams, don’t you? > > Oh, and one of those teachers I mentioned is a mystic too…so at least > in that sense we are on the same page. > > On Aug 15, 3:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Don't you think that Molly was referring to, as stated "what we DO in > > dreams" to that which was part of using the dream realm as a canvass, > > to have some control in what we do. > > Your convoluted interpretation is whatever "happens in dreams". > > Obviously there is a huge difference. > > > Molly's statement regarding teleportation and bi-location is clear, > > they are "mystical" traditions which do not require dreaming, > > according to those who follow such traditions. Sort of like some > > Indian cultures that achieve Peyote heaven. > > > Think of all the things that humanity dreamed of centuries ago, dreams > > that were subject to much scrutiny, ridicule and punishment, even > > death. Dreams that we are living today, Orn. It's just that now we > > take it all for granted, like it always existed. > > > If you traveled back in time you probably wouldn't last more than a > > day if you start telling people about flying to the moon, airplanes, > > television, cell phones, electricity and microwaves. That is just > > scratching the surface of all the futuristic things we are living > > with. > > > On Aug 15, 2:38 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Oh, I see. Sorry. I thought you were serious about the notion of > > > teleportation and bi location. Based on your response I guess not. > > > > Thanks for the laugh! > > > > On Aug 15, 11:10 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > might want to ask Chriss Angelhttp://www.crissangel.com/ aside from > > > > the goth and theatrics, he seems to be able to do it! > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't in > > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a dream, > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here? > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do not > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that > > > > > > we > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious thought > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken him > > > > > > to a > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are everyone > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the oneness. I > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they > > > > > > > represent > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was > > > > > > > presenting, > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another > > > > > > > gear, > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an > > > > > > > impending > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > being? > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you > > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan > > > > > > > really you > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Japan? > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and > > > > > > > > are a > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the > > > > > > > > real state > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be > > > > > > > > bizarre > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or > > > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case > > > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes > > > > > > > > them, but > > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt > > > > > > > > disorientation, > > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. > > > > > > > > Interesting > > > > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory > > > > > > > > > of an old > > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the > > > > > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It > > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't > > > > > > > > > find any > > > > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am > > > > > > > > > physically in > > > > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my > > > > > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel > > > > > > > > > universe or > > > > > > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of > > > > > > > > > our own > > > > > > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > planetary system that really > > > > > > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for > > > > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically > > > > > > > > > but what > > > > > > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the > > > > > > > > > hypothetical > > > > > > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I > > > > > > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another > > > > > > > > > part of our > > > > > > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my > > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept > > > > > > > > > of time > > > > > > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner > > > > > > > > > analogous to > > > > > > > > > moving between different points in space, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
