D, Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting, the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well being? The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible in the conscious realm. You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in Japan? In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is exactly what we may be able to do, travel.
On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself. > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation, > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting > idea though. > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any > > old threads. So......... > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious > > mind > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first > > planetary system that really > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of > > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to > > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the > > future > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as > > a time machine. > > > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some > > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing > > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it > > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time. > > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and > > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that > > time. > > > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that > > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for > > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically > > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the > > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance > > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical > > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture > > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment. > > > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia > > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient > > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The > > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens > > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day. > > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden > > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God, > > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew > > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires > > interpretation. > > > Freud, of course, did not link dreams to the holy, which he regarded > > as an illusion. He worked to put dream interpretation on a scientific > > footing, transposing the religious dimension of dreams into a > > psychological reality. Dreams were taken to be disclosure of the > > denied part of the self particularly the self’s repressed desires. > > Though he transposed dreams from religious to psychological realities, > > Freud nonetheless utilized a rabbinic-midrashic interpretive method, > > which involved a patient probing of multi-layered meanings and the > > inscrutable, enigmatic dimensions of life. Dreams, like ancient texts, > > require imaginative interpretation in order for us to receive what > > they disclose. > > > Personally I stand ambivalent in this area of the scientific or > > spiritual approach to dreaming. I know that I have experienced > > powerful dreams, some of which seem as though I am physically > > somewhere else, while others appear as I'm without physical form but > > merely a detached consciousness beyond the actual location of my > > physical being. What remains as the most difficult task is not only > > the interpretation of dreams but what to do with the knowledge > > attained in the dream state. > > > Perhaps theories of time travel are validated within the realm of > > dream states through cosmic dimensions. > > > There was a movie released in 1984 titled Dreamscape in which people > > endowed with psychic abilities were used, in a dream lab study, to > > enter into the dream of another person thereby helping to dissolve > > reoccurring nightmares. Upon entering the dream the psychic could > > physically move about with the patient in the patients dream with the > > objective of confronting the cause of the nightmare. Of course there > > are the devious characters who in the plot try to utilize the psychics > > for their own agenda. But aside from that I found the concept very > > interesting as it presents the aspect of a control mechanism > > pertaining to the dream state. Imagine that you could fall asleep and > > direct yourself to the Olympic games for a few hours and then upon > > waking up remembering it all as a dream. This would be the ultimate > > achievement of dream study. > > > If I have a dream that I am smoking a cigarette, I may be in a state > > of consciousness without a physical form or more or less tuning into > > the conscious physical form of another person who is smoking a > > cigarette. Unless I can identify my physical form within a dream, and > > establish that it is actually me, then it can possibly be determined > > that the experience is that of someone else. Let's say someone is > > standing on a beach smoking, that person's mental energy becomes part > > of the universal cosmic energy field. I fall asleep and my > > subconscious becomes temporarily attuned to that person thereby > > appearing as if I were smoking when in fact I awake to find I have > > not. If I can ascertain the lucidity of the dream and see myself, > > let's say in a mirror, smoking the cigarette then I would have to > > give some thought to this theory of dream travel with the added > > element of time. This may explain why some people dream of things yet > > to occur in premonitory/precognitive dreams. > > > Amiel, the philosopher, writes: "In dreams, our individuality isn't > > > closed; the whole environment is, so to speak, wrapped in it; it is > > the scenery and all its contents, including us. The individual who is > > dreaming is being dissolved into the universal fantasy of > > maya*..." (Amiel, Journal Intime, 1 12 1892) > > > *Maya, in Indian religions, has multiple meanings. Maya, is the > > principal deity who creates, perpetuates and governs the > > phantasmagoria, illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal > > Universe. For some mystics this manifestation is real, but it is a > > fleeting reality; it is a mistake, although a natural one, to believe > > that Maya represents a fundamental reality or Truth. Each person, each > > physical object, from the perspective of eternity is like a brief, > > disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean. The goal of > > enlightenment is to understand this — more precisely, to experience > > this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and > > the > > Universe is a false > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
