I very seldom remember my dreams and when I do they are most often disturbing. Terrifying sometimes. I have been stabbed so many times I've developed an irrational fear of knives being handled by anyone besides me. Am I some sort of freak?
dj On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > D, > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting, > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well > being? > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible > in the conscious realm. > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in > Japan? > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: >> To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a >> sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life >> unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state >> of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. >> >> Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that >> they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the >> dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre >> and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream >> seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream >> happy, fearful, violent, etc.? >> >> As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel >> universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself. >> OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an >> OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but >> I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation, >> or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting >> idea though. >> >> On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old >> > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of >> > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems >> > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any >> > old threads. So......... >> >> > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? >> >> > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in >> > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious >> > mind >> > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or >> > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or >> > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own >> > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first >> > planetary system that really >> > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller >> > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what >> > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical >> > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present >> > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I >> > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state >> > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our >> > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream >> > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other >> > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] >> >> > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time >> > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of >> > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to >> > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or >> > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment >> > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the >> > future >> > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at >> > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest >> > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a >> > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history >> > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time >> > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th >> > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given >> > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of >> > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as >> > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is >> > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards >> > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or >> > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as >> > a time machine. >> >> > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some >> > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing >> > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it >> > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time. >> > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and >> > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that >> > time. >> >> > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that >> > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for >> > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically >> > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the >> > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance >> > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical >> > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture >> > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment. >> >> > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia >> > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient >> > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The >> > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens >> > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day. >> > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden >> > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God, >> > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew >> > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires >> > interpretation. >> >> > Freud, of course, did not link dreams to the holy, which he regarded >> > as an illusion. He worked to put dream interpretation on a scientific >> > footing, transposing the religious dimension of dreams into a >> > psychological reality. Dreams were taken to be disclosure of the >> > denied part of the self particularly the self’s repressed desires. >> > Though he transposed dreams from religious to psychological realities, >> > Freud nonetheless utilized a rabbinic-midrashic interpretive method, >> > which involved a patient probing of multi-layered meanings and the >> > inscrutable, enigmatic dimensions of life. Dreams, like ancient texts, >> > require imaginative interpretation in order for us to receive what >> > they disclose. >> >> > Personally I stand ambivalent in this area of the scientific or >> > spiritual approach to dreaming. I know that I have experienced >> > powerful dreams, some of which seem as though I am physically >> > somewhere else, while others appear as I'm without physical form but >> > merely a detached consciousness beyond the actual location of my >> > physical being. What remains as the most difficult task is not only >> > the interpretation of dreams but what to do with the knowledge >> > attained in the dream state. >> >> > Perhaps theories of time travel are validated within the realm of >> > dream states through cosmic dimensions. >> >> > There was a movie released in 1984 titled Dreamscape in which people >> > endowed with psychic abilities were used, in a dream lab study, to >> > enter into the dream of another person thereby helping to dissolve >> > reoccurring nightmares. Upon entering the dream the psychic could >> > physically move about with the patient in the patients dream with the >> > objective of confronting the cause of the nightmare. Of course there >> > are the devious characters who in the plot try to utilize the psychics >> > for their own agenda. But aside from that I found the concept very >> > interesting as it presents the aspect of a control mechanism >> > pertaining to the dream state. Imagine that you could fall asleep and >> > direct yourself to the Olympic games for a few hours and then upon >> > waking up remembering it all as a dream. This would be the ultimate >> > achievement of dream study. >> >> > If I have a dream that I am smoking a cigarette, I may be in a state >> > of consciousness without a physical form or more or less tuning into >> > the conscious physical form of another person who is smoking a >> > cigarette. Unless I can identify my physical form within a dream, and >> > establish that it is actually me, then it can possibly be determined >> > that the experience is that of someone else. Let's say someone is >> > standing on a beach smoking, that person's mental energy becomes part >> > of the universal cosmic energy field. I fall asleep and my >> > subconscious becomes temporarily attuned to that person thereby >> > appearing as if I were smoking when in fact I awake to find I have >> > not. If I can ascertain the lucidity of the dream and see myself, >> > let's say in a mirror, smoking the cigarette then I would have to >> > give some thought to this theory of dream travel with the added >> > element of time. This may explain why some people dream of things yet >> > to occur in premonitory/precognitive dreams. >> >> > Amiel, the philosopher, writes: "In dreams, our individuality isn't >> >> > closed; the whole environment is, so to speak, wrapped in it; it is >> > the scenery and all its contents, including us. The individual who is >> > dreaming is being dissolved into the universal fantasy of >> > maya*..." (Amiel, Journal Intime, 1 12 1892) >> >> > *Maya, in Indian religions, has multiple meanings. Maya, is the >> > principal deity who creates, perpetuates and governs the >> > phantasmagoria, illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal >> > Universe. For some mystics this manifestation is real, but it is a >> > fleeting reality; it is a mistake, although a natural one, to believe >> > that Maya represents a fundamental reality or Truth. Each person, each >> > physical object, from the perspective of eternity is like a brief, >> > disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean. The goal of >> > enlightenment is to understand this — more precisely, to experience >> > this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and >> > the >> > Universe is a false >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
