To think everyone has an "angle" is exhausting. <<RIgs As an outgoing person I find it increasingly difficult to make acquaintance with neighbors and others as everyone is suspect of my intention. They think everyone is out to penetrate their world in order to perpetrate some nasty deed. I do understand it to some point when we live in a world where fear is dumped on us by the gov, media and retail entities. We are told we need security in everything we do and to be afraid of everyone.
On Aug 8, 4:49 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I was thinking of the continuation of wars and other evils of history > that seem beyond solution. I find most people are fine unless they are > caught up in some power trip or hustle or they have some severe > problems that makes them psychotic or anti-social. To think everyone > has an "angle" is exhausting. One learns as they go. Another thing- we > are more aware of the news than ever before and it can be downright > depressing some days. > > On Aug 8, 4:07 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree. The world is much too diverse and there are way too many > > people with evil agendas that thrive on domination, cruelty and power. > > We don't even enjoy the lack of dissention in ME, so having it in the > > world is a huge mountain that will never be climbed IMHO ;-] > > > On Aug 7, 10:29 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Maybe you do- I don't. > > > > On Aug 7, 9:17 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " Not that one expects a world conscience, afterall." > > > > > Why not ? > > > > > On Aug 8, 7:11 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I disagree that it is often seniors who put on their blindfolds- it is > > > > > also people in their mid-lives except they are usually more subtle as > > > > > well as their children. I have too many examples/memories to recount > > > > > in a post but could start from childhood- it does not take a genius to > > > > > sense the hypocrisy and downright cruelty.//Why the reference to "How > > > > > Green Was My Valley"? Really, a most touching film.// I suppose Israel > > > > > could also claim to be marginalized, don't you think? Who was ready to > > > > > accept them? Not that one expects a world conscience, afterall. > > > > > > On Aug 7, 8:15 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's always difficult to do much more than touch to ideas in here > > > > > > Slip. I have no time for bigots, but also no time for the views of > > > > > > those who don't remotely understand what ethnic of other dumping > > > > > > does > > > > > > to communities that are already poor and in need of regeneration. > > > > > > These communities are often accused of racism by those who will > > > > > > never > > > > > > live in the conditions. I have often found the worst racism amongst > > > > > > quite senior people who think they have wide cultural experience, > > > > > > but > > > > > > have, in fact, only met people of many colours (etc.) attuned to > > > > > > middle class etiquette and manners. > > > > > > People and jobs have been shipped around the planet for years to > > > > > > suppress wages and work conditions. This 'old problem' needs > > > > > > replacing with a quality of work life/human rights programme we > > > > > > mean. > > > > > > 'How Green Was My Valley' is a fair start here. > > > > > > The 'dumb cultural relativism' is that in which culture is made > > > > > > sacred > > > > > > and becomes an excuse for special treatment - though much more needs > > > > > > to be said (and has been). I may be going back to the Middle East > > > > > > soon, where there is an apartheid structure - we surely can't > > > > > > justify > > > > > > this. Here, a woman may well cry because her husband can't find work > > > > > > because of Poles, and wince as an Asian collects a massive benefits > > > > > > cheque, but is this racism? I'm afraid a little bit of learning on > > > > > > culture has been made very dangerous as the middle class discover > > > > > > how > > > > > > to be polite whilst living far apart from the problems. > > > > > > Science tends to show racism is in deep and across all cultures. I > > > > > > detest it, even though I can spot it in myself from time to time. > > > > > > Look at how it breaks out in the Balkans or Rwanda like an avenging > > > > > > plague from time to time. Decent, peaceful society needs much more > > > > > > than liberal rhetoric - scratch the liberal, find a bigot and so on. > > > > > > I can't tell you how many times I've been amongst white, middle > > > > > > class > > > > > > people claiming (in a room full of such - no doubt to be cleaned > > > > > > afterwards by an Asian lady) the equal opportunities programme is > > > > > > working (with no trace of irony). How many times have I been tested > > > > > > on > > > > > > my articulate lecturing style only to find colleagues who blabber in > > > > > > pidgin throw out a race card or actually on a panel testing me! > > > > > > We need better ways to discuss and do something about these matters, > > > > > > My blind mate once asked who he could improve his learning and got > > > > > > the > > > > > > answer 'Read more books'. A Jewish tutor discriminated against him > > > > > > because she thought he must be cheating because he was blind. > > > > > > Another > > > > > > took him aside and suggested, with liberal aplomb, that perhaps a > > > > > > degree was too hard for him. He was the best student we'd ever had > > > > > > and now teaches with his doctorate (obtained, according to some, > > > > > > only > > > > > > because he was my drinking buddy). I'm the worst (or best) 'screw > > > > > > the > > > > > > rules' guy I know - but there are some. > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 12:55, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's been my response, as well. :-) > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 6:51 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I will never "go along" with group opinion, although I will > > > > > > > > definately > > > > > > > > cede to the power of such. Opinion's really can't change > > > > > > > > without the > > > > > > > > introduction of new facts or figures, or the self realization > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > ones concept of something is wrong. One can get along with the > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > without buying into their dogma. I think this is self evident > > > > > > > > here, > > > > > > > > although lately there seems to be a bit of a stye in Minds Eye. > > > > > > > > ;-] > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 7:21 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps- but not going along with group opinion can have > > > > > > > > > consequences.//Yesterday seemed to be filled with neighbors! > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > conversation sticks out: I was checking on M. neighbor to the > > > > > > > > > rear- > > > > > > > > > who is in her upper 80's- as L. had seen an ambulence at her > > > > > > > > > home a > > > > > > > > > couple of weeks ago. She was fine- got ticked off waiting for > > > > > > > > > a doctor > > > > > > > > > for an hour and a half and demanded to be returned home. > > > > > > > > > Anyway- this > > > > > > > > > neighborhood has been quite stable and pleasant over the > > > > > > > > > decades > > > > > > > > > outside of various tiffs and snubs however when R and R > > > > > > > > > bought his > > > > > > > > > parent' home all hell broke loose. One was their massive > > > > > > > > > remodeling > > > > > > > > > that showed little regard for neighbors or the sense of space > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > been a gift to most lots, the other was an immediate fight > > > > > > > > > with M > > > > > > > > > because of the fearful nature of her dog (a chow?- huge and > > > > > > > > > hairy). R > > > > > > > > > and R took M to court and placed all kinds of restrictions > > > > > > > > > upon her > > > > > > > > > and have been totally rude to other neigbors, as well. There > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > relationship at all between the two save fury. The dog was > > > > > > > > > sent to M.s > > > > > > > > > son in Florida when M was ill a couple of years ago. Another > > > > > > > > > fact, is > > > > > > > > > the two generational suspicion of Blacks from R &R and his > > > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > while M has been actively engaged over a lifetime in civil > > > > > > > > > rights, > > > > > > > > > education and city politics. Guess who M is planning to sell > > > > > > > > > her home > > > > > > > > > to in case she moves- a Black family! Is this racist > > > > > > > > > revenge?//I did > > > > > > > > > okay with R and R- mused about putting up a ten foot fence > > > > > > > > > and before > > > > > > > > > you could wink, they took control and put one up thus saving > > > > > > > > > me the > > > > > > > > > expense > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 5:23 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the understanding Lonlaz. Don't worry about me > > > > > > > > > > as I am used > > > > > > > > > > to being the whipping boy in this forum. The lashes don't > > > > > > > > > > hurt as > > > > > > > > > > constant repetition has removed any potential effect. There > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > isn't any chance of this however since I simply state my > > > > > > > > > > opinion about > > > > > > > > > > things, which I am comfortable with, and if someone doesn't > > > > > > > > > > agree with > > > > > > > > > > them, it doesn't affect me one way or another. One thing I > > > > > > > > > > learned a > > > > > > > > > > long time ago was that, if you are okay with self, the > > > > > > > > > > opinions of > > > > > > > > > > others about you are quite irelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 10:47 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think deripsni is outside the boundries of the > > > > > > > > > > > thread. I know > > > > > > > > > > > you're trying to avoid some sort of race clash, and I > > > > > > > > > > > understand why. > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I can tell, this is not much of a danger, as > > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen > > > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing on the Mind's Eye. I think you are > > > > > > > > > > > being overly > > > > > > > > > > > cautious, a symptom of the effects of poor 'cultural' > > > > > > > > > > > relations in the > > > > > > > > > > > US. (I don't believe in different races, just different > > > > > > > > > > > cultures) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 9:33 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were not my words but those of the authored > > > > > > > > > > > > research study and > > > > > > > > > > > > presented as an example of how ethnicity IS looked at > > > > > > > > > > > > by society as > > > > > > > > > > > > being a factor in social behavior, which I found > > > > > > > > > > > > pertinent to my query > > > > > > > > > > > > of ethnic predictors. I did not present color as an > > > > > > > > > > > > "identifier of a > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior" !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the study had presented statistics on Jews, > > > > > > > > > > > > Scandinavians and > > > > > > > > > > > > the Brits I would have posted it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm neutral in that sense and created a two part OP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm asking is it > > > > > > > > > > > > (A) or (B), simply. I'm not picking on any specific > > > > > > > > > > > > ethnicity. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not state that you were a biased person, but that > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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