On Aug 18, 3:43 am, "[email protected]" > health care is
not a right though, can you explain that one to me?
Well, if it is a "right" then why are you not covering all the people
in Africa and India and Afghanistan? Why, if it is indeed a universal
right. Why is it only wihtin your countries borders?
There must be a reason why this universal right only applies to
"developed countries" as someone put it. Rights are enforced by
people. Why aren't you enforcing it worldwide?
Paying for ALL humans that have "the need."
>
> > Would you differentiate those who "can't" with those who "won't?"
>
> Yes of course I would. I don't like the idea of scroungers any more
> than anybody else who works hard to provied for themselves and their
> dependants.
>
> > It gets tricky when you start using the word "right" and the word
> > "fair" (I would love to get into those. I think those are two of the
> > most interestingly defined words)
>
> > Just a quick question. Let's say you believe that health care is a
> > "right." Let's say a person decides he is going to eat nothing but
> > junk food, smoke and drink, and balloon to 300 pounds. Would you be
> > taking away his right to do that?
>
> No I don't see how I could. He has the right to abuse his body or
> look after it as he sees fit. By the same token I would not call for
> him to pay extra for his medical care either. You are correct when
> you say it is an economic problem and I think that the burden of it
> SHOULD be shared by all, after all we are ALL going to need healthcare
> at some points in our lives, every single one of us.
>
> > Because the underlying principles and values, not to mention the
> > unforseen consequences are misunderstood?
>
> Yes I agre with you there.
>
> > I didn't say they were, but I will say I think there should be limits.
> > Why is it always that the rich can be so easily bled? (I am not rich
> > at all for the record, I drive a Honda with a 1.5 engine OK? These
> > are "concepts" here)
>
> I am as I say a Socialist, but I don't begrudge the money earned by
> anybody, I do though think it is fair that those who have more should
> give more. I have never been insanely rich, I have been very poor, I
> come from a massive family(I'm the oldes of 16 of us) I remember both
> my mum and dad working two jobs to support us, we have taken benifits
> when needed, but I grow up with and I retain a very strong work
> ethic. Now of course I earn a fair bit, I am comfatable, yet if the
> time ever comes that I do obtian vast wealth, well I just can't see
> what use an income of more that 100K would be for me. It would mean
> that I could aford whatever I want, so any extra to my mind is just
> madness, why not do a Gates and put it towards good works.
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