Ahhh that sheds a whole new light on the subject. It's a strange a selfish ideal to me. How can anybody that lives in a sociaty not expect to be expected to give something into that sociaty?
On 19 Aug, 17:16, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > This is where the conflict between Libertarian and Socialism occurs, > and the fine line I walk as a Socialist Libertarian. > > Those who are committed to Liberty seek to be free of having their > property (money) taken from them and given to someone else (social > programs) by force (government) without permission. They want to be > allowed to opt out. > > On Aug 19, 11:52 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 19, 12:25 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sorry to answer for you, Lee, but BB is again deflecting from any real > > > argument here by building themselves a nice little strawman. > > > Well I think you are deflecting from core issues, like the meaning and > > implications of words like "right" > > > > BB, the point is this: once a country reaches a certain point of social > > > and > > > economic development, the role and power of the state changes and so > > > inevitably do the prescribed rights of its citizens. > > > What you fail to see is that each government does not choose the > > same path, nor do the people in it. > > We have "the right to bear arms" for instance. > > > >You could be > > > belligerent here and argue "why?", which is fine as a principle, but to > > > argue that it simply doesn't is a difficult one. I think you would > > > struggle > > > to find many (any?) Europeans who did not think that free health care and > > > education were a right. > > > That has NOTHING to do with my points. I do think it is something to > > consider however, the fact that you all seem to like your system. > > > > Francis linked to an article about some American's fear of government, > > > and a > > > few right wingers here have espoused similar views (even to the extent of > > > wanting to arm themselves against said government). I think this is > > > perhaps > > > the root of it. > > > Only part of it, Ian, only part of it. Open your mind to listen > > instead of concluding. > > > > It's easy to poke fun at these conservative opinions on health care and > > > call > > > them primitive or at least anachronistic, but I do think there's something > > > there that needs to be heard and considered. > > > Now there is the right attitude! > > > >The Right needs to balance the > > > Left (always), but, on this occasion, I have been left feeling a little > > > disappointed that the Right hasn't mustered a single coherent argument in > > > this discussion. Lots of vitriol, lots of fear mongering and paranoia > > > (Russian! Subs!), and lots of deflecting (define greed!). > > > You still ignore defining greed I see. And you have the nerve to > > talk about "deflecting?" > > Yes, there is fear mongering and paranoia, but perhaps if you would > > only TRY to understand you might find better ways of changing others > > opinions. > > Engage Ian, it is the only way.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
