This is where the conflict between Libertarian and Socialism occurs, and the fine line I walk as a Socialist Libertarian.
Those who are committed to Liberty seek to be free of having their property (money) taken from them and given to someone else (social programs) by force (government) without permission. They want to be allowed to opt out. On Aug 19, 11:52 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > On Aug 19, 12:25 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sorry to answer for you, Lee, but BB is again deflecting from any real > > argument here by building themselves a nice little strawman. > > Well I think you are deflecting from core issues, like the meaning and > implications of words like "right" > > > BB, the point is this: once a country reaches a certain point of social and > > economic development, the role and power of the state changes and so > > inevitably do the prescribed rights of its citizens. > > What you fail to see is that each government does not choose the > same path, nor do the people in it. > We have "the right to bear arms" for instance. > > >You could be > > belligerent here and argue "why?", which is fine as a principle, but to > > argue that it simply doesn't is a difficult one. I think you would struggle > > to find many (any?) Europeans who did not think that free health care and > > education were a right. > > That has NOTHING to do with my points. I do think it is something to > consider however, the fact that you all seem to like your system. > > > Francis linked to an article about some American's fear of government, and a > > few right wingers here have espoused similar views (even to the extent of > > wanting to arm themselves against said government). I think this is perhaps > > the root of it. > > Only part of it, Ian, only part of it. Open your mind to listen > instead of concluding. > > > It's easy to poke fun at these conservative opinions on health care and call > > them primitive or at least anachronistic, but I do think there's something > > there that needs to be heard and considered. > > Now there is the right attitude! > > >The Right needs to balance the > > Left (always), but, on this occasion, I have been left feeling a little > > disappointed that the Right hasn't mustered a single coherent argument in > > this discussion. Lots of vitriol, lots of fear mongering and paranoia > > (Russian! Subs!), and lots of deflecting (define greed!). > > You still ignore defining greed I see. And you have the nerve to > talk about "deflecting?" > Yes, there is fear mongering and paranoia, but perhaps if you would > only TRY to understand you might find better ways of changing others > opinions. > Engage Ian, it is the only way. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
