This is a can of worms.// The government, airlines and society hooked millions on smoking then finds the tobacco industry is a cash bonanza so sues it to pieces.//You neglect social, educational, family and individual responsibilty for the state of one's health minus unusual cases. You have a junk food, drug and false value culture that has become an ideal lifestyle.//You criticise physician, business and insurance excecutive's salary but have no qualms about those of entertainers and athletes.// The FDA cannot guarantee the safety of food or drugs. The codes cannot guarantee safety of use(bridges, infrastructure) or quality of building materials (lead, asbestos, etc.).//Once a system of dependence is a habit, it may be impossible to reverse a sense of entitlement sans effort or divert citizens from crime or stupor.//URP, I mean AARP, is losing support among seniors- this is their second betrayal- the first was the prescription drug "benefit" they supported.// You ignore the indifference of Nature or God as to the human condition/health. If they were benevolent we would all be brilliant, beautiful and bouncing with heath. Life, it turns out, is a crap shoot.
On Aug 19, 3:19 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > Yea well I had a friend in the USA. A good friend. > > He was having problems with his liver. He had no money but went to a > hospital. The doctor told him he had liver disease but because it was > not life threatening it was not the responsibility of the hospital to > treat him unless he had money. > > On his way out one of the doctors, breaching protocol I suspect, came > out and told him he should go to Salt Lake City and see a doctor there > in one of the hospitals. He went based on the urgency in the doctors > voice. > > The doctor there said "You're just another dump case from Idaho!" That > is a direct quote. "Get out of here. You have no life threatening > illness". My friend went back home and unfortunately he and his family > heard and believed the part about "not life threatening". So they did > nothing until it became real obvious something was wrong. > > He went back to the original hospital and was told: "Sorry, treatment > will do no good. You have a terminal illness." > > He went home and was dead in a few months. > > You see they don't have to treat if it is not life threatening and > don't have to treat if it will do no good because its too late. Its > amazing how thin that slice of time defined by "If we don't treat you > this will kill you but if we do you will live" can be made to be. It > all stems from how the hospitals are funded. Its a disgrace to the > United States of America. > > At least in the instance you are talking about it was an honest > mistake. Many are made in the USA you know. It wasn't deliberate > deriliction based on funding. > > I have another acquaintance on the board of directors at a hospital in > my home town. There are two hospitals. One basically turns the sick > away if they cannot pay. Yes its not so simple but that is basically a > fact. The other accepts all and the standard of care is reasonably the > same fore all. There is only one problem. Everyone knows this and that > hospital that treats the poor is going out of business. > > Here is what you wrote: "I can see it now, phone call to the doctor, > "I've got a massive > headache and I'm coughing up blood" > Doctor: "take two aspirins and call me in the morning, sounds like a > common cold". " > > Are you stupid? Are you an idiot? Do you really think you can scare us > with that crap? You know and I know that that isn't remotely a > description of the English system, or any of the very effective > government run hospitals. Have you looked at how much more we pay for > worse health care than they do? Or are you just running the "team > conservative" banner? > > You can tell a conservative by one characteristic. They are endemic > liars. They have no sense of what truth is. > > The fact is that health care does not function like a normal business > because the service it renders, or fails to, can result in the death > of individuals. It is not like whether you have a yacht, or even a > toaster. It is not like whether you have nice sun glasses. So when it > comes down to managing the finances as if it was a business the > bureaucracy associated with it in the private sector grows and grows. > The businesses are not run for the profit of the stockholders. It is a > myth that managers do that for any large business in the US. It is run > to ensure the positions of the managers and their salaries. They are > the ones that are "self interested". What happens is that they "grow > the business" and services get out of wack. What is needed is > government intervention - not everywhere in the economy - not with a > hostility to rich people - but only with an *option* that allows the > poor, or indigent, or anyone who *chooses* to select to have those > managing the government system as the ones who manage their health > care. > > What are the private sector medical establishment afraid of? A little > competition? > > Once you agree that you cannot have a system that fails to treat the > sick because they are poor everything else follows. You can fail to > provide toasters to the poor but not health care. Its just not > ethical. Every man has one vote in the public sector. Every man has as > many votes as they have dollars in the private sector. Sickness and > health, like the military, belong in the public sector. > > So.... > > GUESS AGAIN, GUY, GUESS AGAIN. > > On Aug 17, 6:40 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A 16-year-old girl died after being misdiagnosed with the H1N1 virus, > > when she really had tonsillitis, "London’s" Daily Mail reported. > > > Charlotte Hartey’s condition was diagnosed over the phone, like many > > other H1N1 viruses in the "United Kingdom", but when complications > > arose from Charlotte’s real affliction – tonsillitis – the teenager > > died. > > > Really!! > > What? Diagnosis over the phone? This is what you in England call > > "Healthcare"?? > > > I can see it now, phone call to the doctor, "I've got a massive > > headache and I'm coughing up blood" > > Doctor: "take two aspirins and call me in the morning, sounds like a > > common cold". > > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539910,00.html > > > On Aug 17, 6:52 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So I'm sure that we have all heard about this on the news by now, what > > > gives huh huh?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
