Perhaps you present the fallacy of a special case? Truth is, 'it' (Cuban issues) as it is today, started long ago. The roots are firm and deep. The causes complex. And, the schoolmate of Fidel was the daughter (not an 'old man' today) of the top dentist in Havana...they were well placed and moneyed.
Yes, perhaps some of your friends from Cuba weren’t able to have a cell phone. [fake tears] Perhaps they were among those let out of prison or the mental institutions. Neither you nor I know for sure. And, if anything, being younger just serves to be ignorant of the past in general. In this case, I wonder just how well educated they are on the US embargo? Also, it does sound like they have come to the right place for their proclivities. Overall, both countries can hold claim to having governments that are of the oligarchy class. On Aug 20, 9:42 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn, Fallacy of Division? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division > > Really. > > The vast majority of the folks whom you refer to are old men. I'm talking > about people in MY age group, kids who came across starting with the Mariel > boat lift, and since then. They have no vested interest, except fleeing a > starving and oppressed country for a land of opportunity. > > Bay of Pigs, really? This isn't the sixties. We're talking about modern > times here. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:24 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Having lived in Florida, known gun runners for the Bay of Pigs as well > > as a woman who went to school with Fidel, it is easy to see why those > > thrown out by Fidel and/or those who had their businesses socialized > > would be anti-Cuban government. It is similar to corporations being > > anti-socialized medicine. There is a vested interest, period. > > > On Aug 20, 8:24 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Having been born in and spent much time in Miami, I've been exposed to > > many > > > Cuban expatriates who lived under Fidel, and they are extremely > > > pro-American, and anti-Fidel. They describe a life of poverty and > > oppression > > > that in their experience, was caused not by '*El Bloqueo'*, but by the > > > policies of Fidel's government. Dissent is punishable by death. The > > average > > > citizen of Cuba is not allowed a cell phone, but governmental officials > > are. > > > The average citizen of Cuba is not allowed internet access, but > > governmental > > > officials are. Etc. Etc. Etc. Some of these things are beginning to > > change > > > now that Raoul is taking over day to day management of the country, and I > > > think you will find that *'El Bloqueo'* will be quick to go away with > > those > > > changes. > > > > There has been a healthy commerce market in Cuba for this entire time > > > despite the blockade, if you were a member of power. German tourists had > > no > > > problem at all bringing their money there to spend, savoring the local * > > > jineteras*, and throwing currency around freely. I know a half dozen > > people > > > who can provide me with "Dominican" cigars, picked up in Havana and > > routed > > > through D.R. to be banded, avoiding the blockade. The Party lives in > > > comfort, and allows its citizens to starve, and blames it on the US in > > order > > > to stir up anti-American sentiment. It doesn't work. The citizens, for > > the > > > most part, know better, and still come here in droves. > > > > It's a shame you didn't make it down to Florida in your trip here. > > *Havanita > > > * would have provided you with an education from Cubans fresh off the > > tire. > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > I don't know that I'm using hyperbole, but surely it's rather difficult > > to > > > > talk about Cuba and not be anti-American? I'm not defending acts of > > murder, > > > > but America is deeply culpable for the mess Cuba is in. > > > > > Ian > > > > > 2009/8/20 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > That, and the fact that the current government there will shoot their > > whole > > > >> family for political dissent. > > > >> Let's not make it SOLELY anti-american hyperbole in your post, eh, > > Ian? > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Ian Pollard <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > >>> 2009/8/19 BB47 <[email protected]> > > > > >>>> Differences between people often come down to core philosophical > > > >>>> issues. Simple ideas with vast implications. These issues are often > > > >>>> ignored or not seen. Let me take the example of Cuba, just as an > > > >>>> illustration. They have free health care and free university > > > >>>> education yet there are many of those people that decided to risk > > > >>>> their very LIVES on a piece of wood through shark infested waters > > to > > > >>>> get here, where there is no government health care. > > > > >>> You love your strawmen, BB. :) Just to be clear on a point of fact: > > > >>> Cuban's are not risking their lives to escape free health care and > > education > > > >>> because they reeeeally want to pay for these services. They risk > > their lives > > > >>> to earn money for their families which is otherwise unattainable > > because of > > > >>> the isolation caused by el bloqueo. > > > > >>> Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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