So what is shook to the core? I do get along with all the checkout girls, they all love me, except for the gay chick in aisle 6.
Surely it is obvious that our individualism and all that defines it is an obstacle to overcoming hatred, yet the definitive sense is so interdependent upon cultural factors, to scratch the surface that is. On Aug 23, 8:57 pm, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > The "enemy" some have found to be political/social/environmental > drives, but these fall short of allowing all to sense the need for > reconciliation. IE: "Lets all stop global warming". > Our definitions prohibit us from hating the same hatreds. No, I > think unless we as humans are shook to the core we shall go on hating > each other. And not so much hate being the problem, as it is, > "Indifference". > > I would love to get along with everyone including the checkout girl at > the counter, but I think not all would likely get along with me. > > On Aug 23, 9:07 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ah, but where are we to find this enemy who is not part of any human > > grouping? > > > On Aug 23, 5:51 pm, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > A simple "Common Enemy" will do. I have understood this from past > > > histories of those who would "rally the troops" to a new era. > > > Perhaps, if we can pick an enemy who is not part of any human > > > grouping, we might ascend to a more amicable world. > > > > On Aug 23, 11:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's rough when one is a scholastic non conformist, arch, it doesn't > > > > go over well in academia land. Knowledge is power and mobility, of > > > > course that may be simply mind over matter, does the mind overrule > > > > what matters? We can suffer consequence by misunderstanding a > > > > directive, we can take a warning and view it as such or see it as an > > > > issued taboo, fiat. The whole of it all for me is illusory so I just > > > > view every instance in life as a calling to gather knowledge without > > > > some transcendental attachment or consequence. > > > > The world as you say does not function on the knowledge base but > > > > manipulation for an end result regardless of the methodology. Though > > > > the knowledge is there, as existing only, it get's over looked because > > > > it interferes with the goal, it exposes ethics and morality and that's > > > > a no no. I'm often amazed how in politics, as excuses for maladies > > > > seem to stem from gross ignorance, each passes the basket over to the > > > > next ignorant official. If knowledge is of use it is in the knowledge > > > > that the masses are ignorant and truth can be refracted to create the > > > > illusion of truth, very useful tool to ply the gullible. This is when > > > > laws become the obstacle for learning as they present a dictum to be > > > > followed without consideration, they simply state "do this like > > > > this". Of course there are those who see through the veil of bull > > > > crap, establish the knowledgeable challenge and initiate "war". One's > > > > truth is a lie to the other. > > > > I think the problem with 101 is that it comes too little too late. We > > > > nurture our young into a world of spin to the point of dizzying > > > > befuddlement then tell them that they need to learn in order to not be > > > > taken advantage of by the unethical, unscrupulous predations of the > > > > rule. Sure we could start it out in early youth but that would, in > > > > our P.C. world be construed as indoctrination. Education standards > > > > have plummeted when in fact they should be fine tuned and at the > > > > pinnacle of world class. Knowledge is not advantageous to the rule > > > > and so they've crippled it, put blinders on the educators and > > > > established the law of non-knowledge. It's all about basic function, > > > > abc, 123 with a little Spin (oza). > > > > > On Aug 23, 9:13 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I must admit I can't hack university study - something of an admission > > > > > since I teach the stuff. I'm not good at thinking the way others want > > > > > me to. However, I still broadly agree knowledge is useful and not > > > > > having it generally dangerous. Much could be debated here. I'll > > > > > chicken out a bit and put forward 'double aspect theory'. > > > > > This claims that mental and physical systems are really both > > > > > properties of a deeper reality which itself is neither mental nor > > > > > physical. Its most famous advocate in the West was Baruch Spinoza > > > > > (1632 - 77). Mind and matter are aspects of the same thing - 'god'. > > > > > Mind and matter may be rather similar kinds of entities, one > > > > > transmitting and the other receiving (Hume). All talk of mind and > > > > > matter can be reduced (Russell) to 'events' which are not > > > > > instrinsically either. Vam could no doubt point to a much longer > > > > > 'Eastern' history of all this than I am capable of. The scientific > > > > > account of the physical world is quite unlike the common sense > > > > > version. > > > > > > Such considerations are all very well, but we live in a world that > > > > > does not respect knowledge much. This is a world of bent politicians > > > > > and all kinds of ways of influencing situations other than through > > > > > truth and open demonstration. Deception is everywhere, not least > > > > > amongst those claiming to tell us the truth. The species that > > > > > uniformly claims to want peace is always at war in history. One could > > > > > say we have a 'Barbarian Temperament', yet our history is so bad we > > > > > only now have the dawning glimmer that the 'Barbarians' were usually > > > > > more peaceful. poetic, artistic and decent than those who delivered > > > > > our history to us (Chaz was really good on this and I miss him in > > > > > here). As I write, Ponting (the greatest postwar Aussie batter) is > > > > > run out - I am easily distracted by trivia. Now Michael Clarke is run > > > > > out with a fluke - a decision only giveable through modern > > > > > technology. Test Match Special can set you free! > > > > > > These cricket events are happening 'live as I write' (I do know to > > > > > most they are as interesting as something better wiped off the bottom > > > > > of a shoe - I imagine Gabby being so enthralled as to contemplate > > > > > suicide as preferable to reading on!) - I am genuinely lifted by this > > > > > obvious nonsense. My friend Vam might well lift a metaphorical glass > > > > > to celebrate his friend's delight, barely concealing how much sweeter > > > > > the future revenge over this motley crew of 'born abroad' "Englishmen" > > > > > will be in a later Indian Summer. > > > > > > My point, not argued, is that we need some kind of 101 of living, not > > > > > philosophy. I would turn the technology of being able to stage events > > > > > to peace, to mobilise a peace that turns what is war to the trivia of > > > > > cricket, knitting - something that makes the swell of pride a residual > > > > > organ of an entertainment of a long lost history we can laugh at in > > > > > all seriousness. Even the human appendix is now known to have modern > > > > > use ('good bacteria' hide in there when we are ill). My 101 would > > > > > contain questions about how we can form polls of peace and plenty that > > > > > cannot be stolen by a few idiots with guns. In this sense, I feel > > > > > education is failing us as our young skip to school.- Hide quoted > > > > > text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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