Shook to the core means to have one's belief system irreversibly changed. I only submitted the formula, I don't know how the variables can be applied given our penchant for choas and self destruction.
Individualism is an obstacle but me thinks automatons in a closed society is worse. On Aug 23, 10:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > So what is shook to the core? > > I do get along with all the checkout girls, they all love me, except > for the gay chick in aisle 6. > > Surely it is obvious that our individualism and all that defines it is > an obstacle to overcoming hatred, yet the definitive sense is so > interdependent upon cultural factors, to scratch the surface that is. > > On Aug 23, 8:57 pm, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The "enemy" some have found to be political/social/environmental > > drives, but these fall short of allowing all to sense the need for > > reconciliation. IE: "Lets all stop global warming". > > Our definitions prohibit us from hating the same hatreds. No, I > > think unless we as humans are shook to the core we shall go on hating > > each other. And not so much hate being the problem, as it is, > > "Indifference". > > > I would love to get along with everyone including the checkout girl at > > the counter, but I think not all would likely get along with me. > > > On Aug 23, 9:07 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ah, but where are we to find this enemy who is not part of any human > > > grouping? > > > > On Aug 23, 5:51 pm, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A simple "Common Enemy" will do. I have understood this from past > > > > histories of those who would "rally the troops" to a new era. > > > > Perhaps, if we can pick an enemy who is not part of any human > > > > grouping, we might ascend to a more amicable world. > > > > > On Aug 23, 11:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It's rough when one is a scholastic non conformist, arch, it doesn't > > > > > go over well in academia land. Knowledge is power and mobility, of > > > > > course that may be simply mind over matter, does the mind overrule > > > > > what matters? We can suffer consequence by misunderstanding a > > > > > directive, we can take a warning and view it as such or see it as an > > > > > issued taboo, fiat. The whole of it all for me is illusory so I just > > > > > view every instance in life as a calling to gather knowledge without > > > > > some transcendental attachment or consequence. > > > > > The world as you say does not function on the knowledge base but > > > > > manipulation for an end result regardless of the methodology. Though > > > > > the knowledge is there, as existing only, it get's over looked because > > > > > it interferes with the goal, it exposes ethics and morality and that's > > > > > a no no. I'm often amazed how in politics, as excuses for maladies > > > > > seem to stem from gross ignorance, each passes the basket over to the > > > > > next ignorant official. If knowledge is of use it is in the knowledge > > > > > that the masses are ignorant and truth can be refracted to create the > > > > > illusion of truth, very useful tool to ply the gullible. This is when > > > > > laws become the obstacle for learning as they present a dictum to be > > > > > followed without consideration, they simply state "do this like > > > > > this". Of course there are those who see through the veil of bull > > > > > crap, establish the knowledgeable challenge and initiate "war". One's > > > > > truth is a lie to the other. > > > > > I think the problem with 101 is that it comes too little too late. We > > > > > nurture our young into a world of spin to the point of dizzying > > > > > befuddlement then tell them that they need to learn in order to not be > > > > > taken advantage of by the unethical, unscrupulous predations of the > > > > > rule. Sure we could start it out in early youth but that would, in > > > > > our P.C. world be construed as indoctrination. Education standards > > > > > have plummeted when in fact they should be fine tuned and at the > > > > > pinnacle of world class. Knowledge is not advantageous to the rule > > > > > and so they've crippled it, put blinders on the educators and > > > > > established the law of non-knowledge. It's all about basic function, > > > > > abc, 123 with a little Spin (oza). > > > > > > On Aug 23, 9:13 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I must admit I can't hack university study - something of an > > > > > > admission > > > > > > since I teach the stuff. I'm not good at thinking the way others > > > > > > want > > > > > > me to. However, I still broadly agree knowledge is useful and not > > > > > > having it generally dangerous. Much could be debated here. I'll > > > > > > chicken out a bit and put forward 'double aspect theory'. > > > > > > This claims that mental and physical systems are really both > > > > > > properties of a deeper reality which itself is neither mental nor > > > > > > physical. Its most famous advocate in the West was Baruch Spinoza > > > > > > (1632 - 77). Mind and matter are aspects of the same thing - 'god'. > > > > > > Mind and matter may be rather similar kinds of entities, one > > > > > > transmitting and the other receiving (Hume). All talk of mind and > > > > > > matter can be reduced (Russell) to 'events' which are not > > > > > > instrinsically either. Vam could no doubt point to a much longer > > > > > > 'Eastern' history of all this than I am capable of. The scientific > > > > > > account of the physical world is quite unlike the common sense > > > > > > version. > > > > > > > Such considerations are all very well, but we live in a world that > > > > > > does not respect knowledge much. This is a world of bent > > > > > > politicians > > > > > > and all kinds of ways of influencing situations other than through > > > > > > truth and open demonstration. Deception is everywhere, not least > > > > > > amongst those claiming to tell us the truth. The species that > > > > > > uniformly claims to want peace is always at war in history. One > > > > > > could > > > > > > say we have a 'Barbarian Temperament', yet our history is so bad we > > > > > > only now have the dawning glimmer that the 'Barbarians' were usually > > > > > > more peaceful. poetic, artistic and decent than those who delivered > > > > > > our history to us (Chaz was really good on this and I miss him in > > > > > > here). As I write, Ponting (the greatest postwar Aussie batter) is > > > > > > run out - I am easily distracted by trivia. Now Michael Clarke is > > > > > > run > > > > > > out with a fluke - a decision only giveable through modern > > > > > > technology. Test Match Special can set you free! > > > > > > > These cricket events are happening 'live as I write' (I do know to > > > > > > most they are as interesting as something better wiped off the > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > of a shoe - I imagine Gabby being so enthralled as to contemplate > > > > > > suicide as preferable to reading on!) - I am genuinely lifted by > > > > > > this > > > > > > obvious nonsense. My friend Vam might well lift a metaphorical > > > > > > glass > > > > > > to celebrate his friend's delight, barely concealing how much > > > > > > sweeter > > > > > > the future revenge over this motley crew of 'born abroad' > > > > > > "Englishmen" > > > > > > will be in a later Indian Summer. > > > > > > > My point, not argued, is that we need some kind of 101 of living, > > > > > > not > > > > > > philosophy. I would turn the technology of being able to stage > > > > > > events > > > > > > to peace, to mobilise a peace that turns what is war to the trivia > > > > > > of > > > > > > cricket, knitting - something that makes the swell of pride a > > > > > > residual > > > > > > organ of an entertainment of a long lost history we can laugh at in > > > > > > all seriousness. Even the human appendix is now known to have > > > > > > modern > > > > > > use ('good bacteria' hide in there when we are ill). My 101 would > > > > > > contain questions about how we can form polls of peace and plenty > > > > > > that > > > > > > cannot be stolen by a few idiots with guns. 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