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On Aug 23, 9:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Who is there?
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> On Aug 23, 5:06 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Knock, knock...
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> > On Aug 23, 5:38 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > hehehe! ;-)
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> > > On Aug 23, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > No, YOU!
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> > > > On Aug 23, 5:11 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > And what am I, liver pate'?
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> > > > > I came up with a twist on your olive joke Molly.
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> > > > > Knock knock
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> > > > > Who's there?
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> > > > > Olive
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> > > > > Olive who?
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> > > > > Me!
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> > > > > On Aug 23, 3:22 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > You're a nice one!
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> > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:46 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Nice one, Molly! ;-)
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> > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 21:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > would you rather Sartre said it?
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> > > > > > > >http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/AU67.html
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> > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > "understanding the meaninglessness" - puh, Molly, I know I've
> > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > down to saying very stupid things, but at least I always knew
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > were, I didn't label them dot dot dot for the other to come
> > > > > > > > > up with
> > > > > > > > > something I can't think of and use it for my own benefit.
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> > > > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 16:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > there are times when, only by understanding the
> > > > > > > > > > meaninglessness, new
> > > > > > > > > > meaning can emerge...
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> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:23 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > I guess the thing I wish we could get 'timely' about
> > > > > > > > > > > would be truth
> > > > > > > > > > > and reconciliation. I begin to believe the 'conspiracy'
> > > > > > > > > > > is to make
> > > > > > > > > > > life meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 17:49, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > How synchronistic...I know that Pat recently had a bout
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the flu
> > > > > > > > > > > > also...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 pm, frantheman
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The microbes and the antibiotics - I sympathise with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you, Neil. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > recently spent three weeks daily swallowing a not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > insignificant dose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of doxycycline to deal with an incipient borelliosis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Lyme disease) -
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> > > > > > > > > > > damned ticks! There's something quite stressful about
> > > > > > > > > feeling out
> > > > > > > > > of
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts and not even being sure if its the illness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > itself or the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > antibiotic treatment for it that's causing the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discomfort. I wish you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a speedy recovery ...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug., 17:11, archytas <nwte...@googlemailcom>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wroote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of self, or more specifically the sense
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of unity of self,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has both synchronic ('I seem to be a uniied self
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aat any given
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment') and diachronic ('I seem to be the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as I was a few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes/hours/months/years ago') aspects.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, I am feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather broken - like my watch with the dud battery,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but with the added
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge (Slip was right) that my kinetic watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was stolen. I'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intuiting Orn but am otherwise engaged in a wa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggainst a microbe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horde in need of eviction from my glandular system
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, unlike my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, am on tickover until the antibiotics triumph
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beforee Slip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > points out electronic watches don't tick, let me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that this watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has a very annoying, non-syncopating tick option,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and my other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (stolen) watch may well be ticking to someone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > else's tune. I am so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ill I hav develloped an interest in Willard Quine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again and have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat naturalised my philosophy so as not to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too exposed to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > risk of theoretical truth. All this at a time I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > haven't had a drink
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for two weeks Francis! - no doubt causing my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > current delusive state in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which England are regaining the Ashes. Test Match
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Special will set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you free ...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 15:24, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not expert of Jung, but have enjoyed his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing and work now and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then. I think what this means is that there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something more than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what we think of as cause and effect at play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. That while, as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip suggests, sychronistic events for us are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsive to our
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > indiviidual thoughts and feelings, we do not cause
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > them to come about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like we cause a stone to roll by kicking it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think, always at play in our lives, but our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of it increases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as our perception of the more subtle levels of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being changes. We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't cause it, we become aware of it by tuning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:37 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would wonder the same thing about it all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being acausal. I remember
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when my mother in law died m wife, a life long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devout catholic,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned something about a sign, a butterfly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would appear. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always thought that to be coincidence but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cemetery, there it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was, a large white butterfly that landed and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay for several minutes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then casually flew off. I guess there is some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the death, the mention of and appearance of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the butterfly.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 am, Alan Wostenberg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great question.As a belieever I wonder why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jung calls synchronicity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'acausal' in that essay "Synchronicity, An
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acausal Connecting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Princciple". Does he embrace a Humean noion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> causality as constant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in whichcausess precede effects
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temporally?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet I do find myself reluctant to jump in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with both feet and call
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something a meaningful coincidence. This is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no doubt my inner atheist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whispering. As a believer I know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity under a different name:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > providence. God always meets our real needs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I see the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pattern and call it providence. Usually I do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not, perhaps because it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to bright for my minds eye.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 5:08 am, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is a word that has come up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now and then in these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions and is, I think, becoming more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part of our scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and philosophic paradigms. Webster defines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it as: the quality or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of being synchronous or simultaneous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : concurrence of acts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events, or developments in time :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coincident movement or existence;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chronological arrangement of historical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events and personages so as to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate coincidence or coexistence; a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > representation in the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture of two or more events which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurred at different times.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jung required a larger framework for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of synchronicity, a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > framework that reveals an underlying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pattern for what he called
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "temporally coincident occurrences of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acausal events."
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does synchronicity mean to you? What
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role does it playin yourr
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life? What do YOU think?
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