You're a nice one!
On Aug 23, 3:46 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nice one, Molly! ;-)
>
> On 23 Aug., 21:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > would you rather Sartre said it?
>
> >http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/AU67.html
>
> > On Aug 23, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "understanding the meaninglessness" - puh, Molly, I know I've been
> > > down to saying very stupid things, but at least I always knew they
> > > were, I didn't label them dot dot dot for the other to come up with
> > > something I can't think of and use it for my own benefit.
>
> > > On 23 Aug., 16:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > there are times when, only by understanding the meaninglessness, new
> > > > meaning can emerge...
>
> > > > On Aug 22, 7:23 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I guess the thing I wish we could get 'timely' about would be truth
> > > > > and reconciliation. I begin to believe the 'conspiracy' is to make
> > > > > life meaningless.
>
> > > > > On 22 Aug, 17:49, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > How synchronistic...I know that Pat recently had a bout of the flu
> > > > > > also...
>
> > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The microbes and the antibiotics - I sympathise with you, Neil. I
> > > > > > > recently spent three weeks daily swallowing a not insignificant
> > > > > > > dose
> > > > > > > of doxycycline to deal with an incipient borelliosis (Lyme
> > > > > > > disease) -
>
> > > > > damned ticks! There's something quite stressful about feeling out
> > > of
>
> > > > > > > sorts and not even being sure if its the illness itself or the
> > > > > > > antibiotic treatment for it that's causing the discomfort. I wish
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > a speedy recovery ...
>
> > > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > > On 22 Aug., 17:11, archytas <nwte...@googlemailcom> wroote:
>
> > > > > > > > The concept of self, or more specifically the sense of unity of
> > > > > > > > self,
> > > > > > > > has both synchronic ('I seem to be a uniied self aat any given
> > > > > > > > moment') and diachronic ('I seem to be the same self as I was a
> > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > minutes/hours/months/years ago') aspects. Currently, I am
> > > > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > > > rather broken - like my watch with the dud battery, but with
> > > > > > > > the added
> > > > > > > > knowledge (Slip was right) that my kinetic watch was stolen.
> > > > > > > > I'd be
> > > > > > > > intuiting Orn but am otherwise engaged in a wa aggainst a
> > > > > > > > microbe
> > > > > > > > horde in need of eviction from my glandular system and, unlike
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > watch, am on tickover until the antibiotics triumph Beforee
> > > > > > > > Slip
> > > > > > > > points out electronic watches don't tick, let me say that this
> > > > > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > has a very annoying, non-syncopating tick option, and my other
> > > > > > > > (stolen) watch may well be ticking to someone else's tune. I
> > > > > > > > am so
> > > > > > > > ill I hav develloped an interest in Willard Quine again and have
> > > > > > > > somewhat naturalised my philosophy so as not to be too exposed
> > > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > risk of theoretical truth. All this at a time I haven't had a
> > > > > > > > drink
> > > > > > > > for two weeks Francis! - no doubt causing my current delusive
> > > > > > > > state in
> > > > > > > > which England are regaining the Ashes. Test Match Special will
> > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > you free ...
>
> > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 15:24, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I am not expert of Jung, but have enjoyed his writing and
> > > > > > > > > work now and
> > > > > > > > > then. I think what this means is that there is something
> > > > > > > > > more than
> > > > > > > > > what we think of as cause and effect at play here. That
> > > > > > > > > while, as
> > > > > > > > > Slip suggests, sychronistic events for us are responsive to
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > >> > > indiviidual thoughts and feelings, we do not cause them to
> > > > > >> > > come about
> > > > > > > > > like we cause a stone to roll by kicking it. Synchronicity
> > > > > > > > > is, I
> > > > > > > > > think, always at play in our lives, but our awareness of it
> > > > > > > > > increases
> > > > > > > > > as our perception of the more subtle levels of being changes.
> > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > don't cause it, we become aware of it by tuning into it.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:37 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I would wonder the same thing about it all being acausal.
> > > > > > > > > > I remember
> > > > > > > > > > when my mother in law died m wife, a life long devout
> > > > > > > > > > catholic,
> > > > > > > > > > mentioned something about a sign, a butterfly that would
> > > > > > > > > > appear. I
> > > > > > > > > > always thought that to be coincidence but at the cemetery,
> > > > > > > > > > there it
> > > > > > > > > > was, a large white butterfly that landed and stay for
> > > > > > > > > > several minutes
> > > > > > > > > > then casually flew off. I guess there is some
> > > > > > > > > > synchronicity there,
> > > > > > > > > > in the death, the mention of and appearance of the
> > > > > > > > > > butterfly.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 am, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Great question.As a belieever I wonder why Jung calls
> > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity
> > > > > > > > > > > 'acausal' in that essay "Synchronicity, An Acausal
> > > > > > > > > > > Connecting
> > > > > > > > > >> Princciple". Does he embrace a Humean noion of causality
> > > > > > > > > >> as constant
> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in whichcausess precede effects temporally?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Yet I do find myself reluctant to jump in with both feet
> > > > > > > > > > > and call
> > > > > > > > > > > something a meaningful coincidence. This is no doubt my
> > > > > > > > > > > inner atheist
> > > > > > > > > > > whispering. As a believer I know synchronicity under a
> > > > > > > > > > > different name:
> > > > > > > > > > > providence. God always meets our real needs. Sometimes I
> > > > > > > > > > > see the
> > > > > > > > > > > pattern and call it providence. Usually I do not,
> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps because it
> > > > > > > > > > > is to bright for my minds eye.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 5:08 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is a word that has come up now and then
> > > > > > > > > > > > in these
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussions and is, I think, becoming more a part of
> > > > > > > > > > > > our scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > and philosophic paradigms. Webster defines it as: the
> > > > > > > > > > > > quality or
> > > > > > > > > > > > state of being synchronous or simultaneous :
> > > > > > > > > > > > concurrence of acts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > events, or developments in time : coincident movement
> > > > > > > > > > > > or existence;
> > > > > > > > > > > > chronological arrangement of historical events and
> > > > > > > > > > > > personages so as to
> > > > > > > > > > > > indicate coincidence or coexistence; a representation
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > picture of two or more events which occurred at
> > > > > > > > > > > > different times.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jung required a larger framework for his idea of
> > > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity, a
> > > > > > > > > > > > framework that reveals an underlying pattern for what
> > > > > > > > > > > > he called
> > > > > > > > > > > > "temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > What does synchronicity mean to you? What role does it
> > > > > > > > > > > > playin yourr
> > > > > > > > > > > > life? What do YOU think?
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