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On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Molly Brogan<[email protected]> wrote: > > telegram > > On Aug 23, 9:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> Who is there? >> >> On Aug 23, 5:06 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Knock, knock... >> >> > On Aug 23, 5:38 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > hehehe! ;-) >> >> > > On Aug 23, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > No, YOU! >> >> > > > On Aug 23, 5:11 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > And what am I, liver pate'? >> >> > > > > I came up with a twist on your olive joke Molly. >> >> > > > > Knock knock >> >> > > > > Who's there? >> >> > > > > Olive >> >> > > > > Olive who? >> >> > > > > Me! >> >> > > > > On Aug 23, 3:22 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > You're a nice one! >> >> > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:46 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > Nice one, Molly! ;-) >> >> > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 21:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > would you rather Sartre said it? >> >> > > > > > > >http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/AU67.html >> >> > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > "understanding the meaninglessness" - puh, Molly, I know >> > > > > > > > > I've been >> > > > > > > > > down to saying very stupid things, but at least I always >> > > > > > > > > knew they >> > > > > > > > > were, I didn't label them dot dot dot for the other to come >> > > > > > > > > up with >> > > > > > > > > something I can't think of and use it for my own benefit. >> >> > > > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 16:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > there are times when, only by understanding the >> > > > > > > > > > meaninglessness, new >> > > > > > > > > > meaning can emerge... >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:23 pm, archytas <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > I guess the thing I wish we could get 'timely' about >> > > > > > > > > > > would be truth >> > > > > > > > > > > and reconciliation. I begin to believe the 'conspiracy' >> > > > > > > > > > > is to make >> > > > > > > > > > > life meaningless. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 17:49, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > How synchronistic...I know that Pat recently had a >> > > > > > > > > > > > bout of the flu >> > > > > > > > > > > > also... >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 pm, frantheman >> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The microbes and the antibiotics - I sympathise with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you, Neil. I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > recently spent three weeks daily swallowing a not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > insignificant dose >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of doxycycline to deal with an incipient borelliosis >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Lyme disease) - >> >> > > > > > > > > > > damned ticks! There's something quite stressful about >> > > > > > > > > feeling out >> > > > > > > > > of >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts and not even being sure if its the illness >> > > > > > > > > > > > > itself or the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > antibiotic treatment for it that's causing the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discomfort. I wish you >> > > > > > > > > > > > > a speedy recovery ... >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug., 17:11, archytas <nwte...@googlemailcom> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wroote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of self, or more specifically the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense of unity of self, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has both synchronic ('I seem to be a uniied self >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aat any given >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment') and diachronic ('I seem to be the same >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as I was a few >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes/hours/months/years ago') aspects. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, I am feeling >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather broken - like my watch with the dud >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > battery, but with the added >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge (Slip was right) that my kinetic watch >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was stolen. I'd be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intuiting Orn but am otherwise engaged in a wa >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggainst a microbe >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horde in need of eviction from my glandular system >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, unlike my >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, am on tickover until the antibiotics >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > triumph Beforee Slip >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > points out electronic watches don't tick, let me >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that this watch >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has a very annoying, non-syncopating tick option, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and my other >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (stolen) watch may well be ticking to someone >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > else's tune. I am so >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ill I hav develloped an interest in Willard Quine >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again and have >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat naturalised my philosophy so as not to be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too exposed to the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > risk of theoretical truth. All this at a time I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > haven't had a drink >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for two weeks Francis! - no doubt causing my >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > current delusive state in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which England are regaining the Ashes. Test Match >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Special will set >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you free ... >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 15:24, Molly Brogan >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not expert of Jung, but have enjoyed his >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing and work now and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then. I think what this means is that there is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something more than >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what we think of as cause and effect at play >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. That while, as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip suggests, sychronistic events for us are >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsive to our >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > indiviidual thoughts and feelings, we do not >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > cause them to come about >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like we cause a stone to roll by kicking it. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is, I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think, always at play in our lives, but our >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of it increases >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as our perception of the more subtle levels of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being changes. We >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't cause it, we become aware of it by tuning >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into it. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:37 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would wonder the same thing about it all >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being acausal. I remember >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when my mother in law died m wife, a life >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long devout catholic, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned something about a sign, a butterfly >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would appear. I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always thought that to be coincidence but at >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cemetery, there it >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was, a large white butterfly that landed and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay for several minutes >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then casually flew off. I guess there is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some synchronicity there, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the death, the mention of and appearance of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the butterfly. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 am, Alan Wostenberg >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great question.As a belieever I wonder why >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jung calls synchronicity >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'acausal' in that essay "Synchronicity, An >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acausal Connecting >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Princciple". Does he embrace a Humean noion >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of causality as constant >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in whichcausess precede effects >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temporally? >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet I do find myself reluctant to jump in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with both feet and call >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something a meaningful coincidence. This is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no doubt my inner atheist >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whispering. As a believer I know >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity under a different name: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > providence. God always meets our real needs. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I see the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pattern and call it providence. Usually I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not, perhaps because it >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to bright for my minds eye. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 5:08 am, Molly Brogan >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is a word that has come up >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now and then in these >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions and is, I think, becoming more >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part of our scientific >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and philosophic paradigms. Webster >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defines it as: the quality or >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of being synchronous or simultaneous >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : concurrence of acts, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events, or developments in time : >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coincident movement or existence; >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chronological arrangement of historical >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events and personages so as to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate coincidence or coexistence; a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > representation in the same >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture of two or more events which >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurred at different times. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jung required a larger framework for his >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of synchronicity, a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > framework that reveals an underlying >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pattern for what he called >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "temporally coincident occurrences of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acausal events." >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does synchronicity mean to you? 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