Self in social context does seem to make sense, Archy. The old layers of silt are revealing like years of misspent youth now lying in old age waiting to be crushed into mortar. A standard wage across the board, a new strata of even handedness including the ruling class, not the commensurate method you say. But who will reside in the palace, the docklands the shires? Not I, says the peasantry who will by some order continue to serve others, as monetary disparity converts to domains and abodes, stylish wear and motorcars, seriality thrives. Number 358293 please step aside, are your papers in order? Jean-Paul had other ideas, perhaps taken too far for the demonstrative statement but nevertheless the final act in the play, exit stage left. Disappointing though, the lack of communication, the failure to let us know how it really plays out on the other side. On this side what might be evidenced is that England's days of thrashing are over. The third world is closing in, the mortar cracking and crumbling like bits of Feta under the weight of lying hordes of power mongers, the wagon is full and over loaded, dump the dead weight or sink. Don't fret old chap, your just another rock within the milestones of eternity.
On Aug 24, 7:29 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Sartre always reminds me of an authentic performance better forgotten, > generally of those raving about someone's 'Hamlet' because they read > the review in the Guardian. Gabby at least knows one fresh cabbage > tastes just like the next. > Quine was quite good at this sync-dia chronic stuff. We are this > network of stuff built from the past, stuck trying to make sense of > what is here and now, and this, at bottom, is what evidence is. Too > individual for my liking as I rather like to be taught what works and > have a concept of self in social context. I'd like to see us move > into authentic production on a local basis, making sure the hard work > put in is protected and make this about half our working week (2 > days). We could all work for the same wage in such endeavour and do 2 > more days in the private sector. The last three days, would, of > course, be put aside to watch England thrash Australia. > > On 24 Aug, 13:10, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Telegram who? > > > On Aug 24, 4:53 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > telegram > > > > On Aug 23, 9:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Who is there? > > > > > On Aug 23, 5:06 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Knock, knock... > > > > > > On Aug 23, 5:38 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > hehehe! ;-) > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, YOU! > > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 5:11 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And what am I, liver pate'? > > > > > > > > > I came up with a twist on your olive joke Molly. > > > > > > > > > Knock knock > > > > > > > > > Who's there? > > > > > > > > > Olive > > > > > > > > > Olive who? > > > > > > > > > Me! > > > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:22 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You're a nice one! > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:46 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nice one, Molly! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 21:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > would you rather Sartre said it? > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/AU67.html > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "understanding the meaninglessness" - puh, Molly, I > > > > > > > > > > > > know I've been > > > > > > > > > > > > down to saying very stupid things, but at least I > > > > > > > > > > > > always knew they > > > > > > > > > > > > were, I didn't label them dot dot dot for the other to > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with > > > > > > > > > > > > something I can't think of and use it for my own > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 16:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are times when, only by understanding the > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaninglessness, new > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning can emerge... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:23 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the thing I wish we could get 'timely' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about would be truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and reconciliation. I begin to believe the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'conspiracy' is to make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 17:49, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How synchronistic...I know that Pat recently had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bout of the flu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 pm, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The microbes and the antibiotics - I sympathise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you, Neil. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently spent three weeks daily swallowing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not insignificant dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of doxycycline to deal with an incipient > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > borelliosis (Lyme disease) - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damned ticks! There's something quite stressful > > > > > > > > > > > > about feeling out > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts and not even being sure if its the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illness itself or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antibiotic treatment for it that's causing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discomfort. I wish you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a speedy recovery ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug., 17:11, archytas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nwte...@googlemailcom> wroote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of self, or more specifically the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense of unity of self, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has both synchronic ('I seem to be a uniied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self aat any given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment') and diachronic ('I seem to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same self as I was a few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes/hours/months/years ago') aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, I am feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather broken - like my watch with the dud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > battery, but with the added > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge (Slip was right) that my kinetic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch was stolen. I'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intuiting Orn but am otherwise engaged in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wa aggainst a microbe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horde in need of eviction from my glandular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system and, unlike my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, am on tickover until the antibiotics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triumph Beforee Slip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > points out electronic watches don't tick, let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me say that this watch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has a very annoying, non-syncopating tick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > option, and my other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (stolen) watch may well be ticking to someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else's tune. I am so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ill I hav develloped an interest in Willard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quine again and have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat naturalised my philosophy so as not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be too exposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > risk of theoretical truth. All this at a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time I haven't had a drink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for two weeks Francis! - no doubt causing my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current delusive state in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which England are regaining the Ashes. Test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Match Special will set > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you free ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Aug, 15:24, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not expert of Jung, but have enjoyed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his writing and work now and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then. I think what this means is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is something more than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what we think of as cause and effect at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > play here. That while, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip suggests, sychronistic events for us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are responsive to our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > indiviidual thoughts and feelings, we do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > cause them to come about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like we cause a stone to roll by kicking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. Synchronicity is, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think, always at play in our lives, but our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of it increases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as our perception of the more subtle levels > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of being changes. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't cause it, we become aware of it by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tuning into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 7:37 am, Slip Disc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would wonder the same thing about it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all being acausal. I remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when my mother in law died m wife, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life long devout catholic, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned something about a sign, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > butterfly that would appear. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always thought that to be coincidence but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the cemetery, there it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was, a large white butterfly that landed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and stay for several minutes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then casually flew off. I guess there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is some synchronicity there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the death, the mention of and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appearance of the butterfly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 12:33 am, Alan Wostenberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great question.As a belieever I wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why Jung calls synchronicity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'acausal' in that essay "Synchronicity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An Acausal Connecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Princciple". Does he embrace a Humean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> noion of causality as constant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in whichcausess precede > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects temporally? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet I do find myself reluctant to jump > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with both feet and call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something a meaningful coincidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is no doubt my inner atheist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whispering. As a believer I know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > synchronicity under a different name: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > providence. God always meets our real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs. Sometimes I see the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pattern and call it providence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually I do not, perhaps because it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to bright for my minds eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 5:08 am, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Synchronicity is a word that has come > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up now and then in these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions and is, I think, becoming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more a part of our scientific > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and philosophic paradigms. 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