I don't fully understand. Did time have a beginning point, and will it have an end point? If eternity exists, it cannot have a start or end point can it? Does space somehow cease to exist?
On Aug 25, 6:38 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 24 Aug, 16:36, showmethehoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Pat, how can continuum have ends points defined? > > How can it not? A continuum is defined by its ends. For example, a > line (a 1-dimensional entity) can be viewed as a continuum of points > (zero-dimensional entities) from the beginning of the line to its > end. Along the line, there are no missing points, i.e., the line is > continuous. So, too, our space-time continuum is continuous from > beginning to end with no missing points. The philosophical > implications of us living in a space-time continuum are enormous, as > it means that our conventional view of a future open to possibilities > is simply not realistic/accurate. Einstein knew this, but only > mentioned it rarely. To believe that the future is mutable is the > modern-day equivalent of still believing the Earth is flat. We have > to come to a new understanding of the universe and humanity's role in > it and that will not happen until we've removed the comforting > blindfolds we 'prefer'. > > > > > On Aug 24, 8:22 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:51, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > So, let me get this straight. You have a philosophy that, in > > > > > philosophy, absolute truths are impossible. How do you get past the > > > > > dichotomy of having such a contradictory absoloute truth in your > > > > > philosophy? Alternatively, if you back off from the statement and say > > > > > that your statement above is only a relative truth, it, then, > > > > > logically allows for absolute truths to exist and {that they could} be > > > > > duly ignored by you. Tricky stuff, Ian. Personally, I don't think > > > > > you've stated your whole case, here. > > > > > Heh I think Pat that if you do not belive in a creator God then Ian's > > > > strance is going to be the best you will get. > > > > > Many of Ian's ilke may well (and justified too I believe) accuse > > > > people like you and I of being philosophicly lazy, that we practice a > > > > kind of philosphy of the gaps, that we do not like to work out the > > > > hard question of the absolute and so we call it God and have done with > > > > it. I don't think it is an acusation that we can easily defend > > > > against, do you? > > > > I think I've been fairly diligent in my attempts to discover the > > > truth about the One (not that I'm finished, yet!!). In order to > > > defend against the rallying cry of those who offer no comprehensive > > > alternative, one must proceed from the point of ontology. Once we've > > > determined what it is that exists, THEN we can look at what it can do > > > and how it does it. The answer to all the 'why' questions to which > > > atheists would have you believe there are no reasonable answers, > > > leaves them only a pool of 'unreasonable answers' from which to choose > > > and futher blocks progress. > > > One of the main arguments against God is that atheists see no > > > evidence that the universe is teleological, i.e., that it is heading > > > in a particular direction with goals at the end. They overlook the > > > FACT that we exist in a space-time continuum. The continuum contains > > > ALL the past, present and future; that is, the ends are already > > > defined (as is all the middle). If the ends are already defined, then > > > the universe is, most definitely teleological, and the stumbling block > > > (of no teleology) crumbles into dust before the weight of one stone > > > (Einstein). > > > My main point was that it should be obvious that some absolute > > > truths exist. Some of these may not be particularly useful until one > > > extends them. Einstein looked for truth and found special (and > > > general) relativity. Absolute truths are, usually, things like > > > physical constants. But it is how those truths work together and > > > allow for the relativity in between that muddies the water and makes > > > the absolutes seem less important or obscure.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
