Oh, I know this one...ME, ME!! On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote:
> > "Not entirely accurate, you are right, but not completly inaccurate > is > it?" - BB > > BB, I do not know. Do you know members of ME that do nothing for the > public good? > > On Aug 27, 9:53 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Aug 27, 8:53 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I believe in accurate premises BB. The following is not. > > > > > "What is interesting to me is how those of you who keep going back to > > > “we are helping those in need” prefer not to do it all yourselves > > > but > > > rather turn it over to the state, which is an external entity > > > composed > > > of bureaucrats. ..." - BB > > > > Not entirely accurate, you are right, but not completly inaccurate is > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 8:43 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What is interesting to me is how those of you who keep going back to > > > > “we are helping those in need” prefer not to do it all yourselves > but > > > > rather turn it over to the state, which is an external entity > composed > > > > of bureaucrats. It is almost as if you are saying ”I can’t decide > > > > how to do it best myself, I don’t even want to choose where to put my > > > > helping money, I can’t organize a group or a charity, (even though > > > > they use mostly volunteers, which are WAY more cost effective, FREE > in > > > > fact.) No, I would rather you the State just did everything and I > can > > > > still have that helping the needy feeling and not have to choose” > > > > States do not use volunteers very often. They have to pay them > > > > exceptional wages and benefits, thus diluting the effectiveness. > What > > > > you seem to be saying is “they know better than I do” That is OK > with > > > > me, it just seems like giving away yourself to the state, which is > the > > > > thing I am against. If you believe so strongly in helping the needy, > > > > why not just do it without the state? I would like to choose the > > > > areas I think need the most help. Governments that take most of > your > > > > money don’t let you do that. > > > > > > Doctors without Borders is an amazing group, (who need MONEY for > > > > some reason, I don‘t know why. ) They didn’t wait around for some > > > > bureaucrat to do something, they just did it themselves. > > > > > > And when the State sends troops to Afghanistan or does something > > > > else you don‘t like? In the name of “helping and protecting?” Too > > > > late, you handed your money and your control over to “them” already. > > > > It is always “them” who get to choose. You think you are choosing, > > > > but it is clear that you are not. You can make a fuss, but it did > not > > > > stop them did it? > > > > > > You know what the ULTIMATE in “voting” is? Capitalism. Every > > > > single dollar you spend is a vote. A vote that will be counted too! > > > > Can’t be taken away from you. Everything you choose to spend money > on > > > > is a vote for it. Think about that the next time you spend your > > > > money, what you have left of it, you already voted to give most of > > > > your choices away already. You don’t approve of something? Don’t > buy > > > > it. There is no more powerful message, and it is your direct vote. > > > > > > I believe in personal choice. If you don’t, that is OK with me. > > > > > > On Aug 27, 7:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I do like Kunkel's take on capitalistic ventures and time. "Not the > > > > > least way that Marxism is opposed to capitalism is in its > relationship > > > > > to time. Capitalist culture approaches a pure instantaneousness: no > > > > > future, no past". > > > > > Sure it's true that the culture of capitalism sees the now and > > > > > disregards the ramifications, such as issues of environmental > > > > > destruction, causal poverty and overall degradation of the extended > > > > > life cycle. So we do have profits in the hundreds of billions > while > > > > > little attention is paid to the imperative which then leads to the > > > > > death of ducks. > > > > > Overall I don't think there is anything new when viewing the annals > of > > > > > human history, the deaths of many for the ideals of the few. I > think > > > > > it's a great topic which hopefully can elevate the group > perspective > > > > > and focus. Thanks Chris! > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 10:12 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From here: > http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/24/what-we-are-not-emb... > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > Here is a good debate proposition: It ought to be less > embarrassing to have > > > > > > been influenced by Ayn Rand than by Karl Marx. > > > > > > > > The most powerful way to argue the affirmative is to compare the > number of > > > > > > human beings murdered by the devotees of each. That line of > attack ought to > > > > > > be decisive, but I’m afraid it won’t get you far with the > multitude of > > > > > > highly-self-regarded thinkers influenced by Karl Marx. Fact is, > commitment > > > > > > to some kind of socialism and fluency in the jargon of Marxism > used to be > > > > > > mandatory for serious intellectuals. And there’s something > glamorous in the > > > > > > very idea of the intellectual. Even for those of us who came of > age after > > > > > > 1989, Marxism, like cigarettes, remains linked by association to > the idea of > > > > > > the intellectual, and so, like cigarettes, shares in the > intellectual’s > > > > > > glamour. I don’t know if cigarettes or Marxism have killed more > people, but > > > > > > it’s pretty clear cigarettes are more actively stigmatized. > Marxists, > > > > > > neo-Marxists, crypto-Marxists, post-Marxists, etc. have an > enduring > > > > > > influence on intellectual fashion. So it is not only possible > proudly to > > > > > > confess Marx’s influence on one’s thought, but it remains > possible in some > > > > > > quarters to impress by doing so. It ought to be embarrassing, but > it isn’t. > > > > > > Being a bit of a Marxist is like having a closet full of pirate > blouses but > > > > > > never having to worry." > > > > > > > > This gave me pause for consideration. Rand's philosophies have > been much > > > > > > maligned as "uncompassionate", while certain "socialist" (Marxist > Communist) > > > > > > policies have been held up as an ideal, and yet, how many people > have been > > > > > > killed in the name of Randian philosophy, and how many have been > killed in > > > > > > the name of Marxist philosophy? > > > > > > > > What do YOU think? ;)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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