I do like Kunkel's take on capitalistic ventures and time. "Not the least way that Marxism is opposed to capitalism is in its relationship to time. Capitalist culture approaches a pure instantaneousness: no future, no past". Sure it's true that the culture of capitalism sees the now and disregards the ramifications, such as issues of environmental destruction, causal poverty and overall degradation of the extended life cycle. So we do have profits in the hundreds of billions while little attention is paid to the imperative which then leads to the death of ducks. Overall I don't think there is anything new when viewing the annals of human history, the deaths of many for the ideals of the few. I think it's a great topic which hopefully can elevate the group perspective and focus. Thanks Chris!
On Aug 27, 10:12 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > From > here:http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/24/what-we-are-not-emb... > > " > > Here is a good debate proposition: It ought to be less embarrassing to have > been influenced by Ayn Rand than by Karl Marx. > > The most powerful way to argue the affirmative is to compare the number of > human beings murdered by the devotees of each. That line of attack ought to > be decisive, but I’m afraid it won’t get you far with the multitude of > highly-self-regarded thinkers influenced by Karl Marx. Fact is, commitment > to some kind of socialism and fluency in the jargon of Marxism used to be > mandatory for serious intellectuals. And there’s something glamorous in the > very idea of the intellectual. Even for those of us who came of age after > 1989, Marxism, like cigarettes, remains linked by association to the idea of > the intellectual, and so, like cigarettes, shares in the intellectual’s > glamour. I don’t know if cigarettes or Marxism have killed more people, but > it’s pretty clear cigarettes are more actively stigmatized. Marxists, > neo-Marxists, crypto-Marxists, post-Marxists, etc. have an enduring > influence on intellectual fashion. So it is not only possible proudly to > confess Marx’s influence on one’s thought, but it remains possible in some > quarters to impress by doing so. It ought to be embarrassing, but it isn’t. > Being a bit of a Marxist is like having a closet full of pirate blouses but > never having to worry." > > This gave me pause for consideration. Rand's philosophies have been much > maligned as "uncompassionate", while certain "socialist" (Marxist Communist) > policies have been held up as an ideal, and yet, how many people have been > killed in the name of Randian philosophy, and how many have been killed in > the name of Marxist philosophy? > > What do YOU think? ;) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
