Ah ... I see a cow and become aware from memory that what I am seeing is something in my mind, which incidently seems congruent with what I may touch and hear. I do not however really ' know ' what the cow is seeing in its mind, as it looks at me, or what it aware of in its memory.
I turn my gaze and see a tree. It strikes me that both the cow and tree are formations in my mind, from a vanilla ground of I do not know what. And that, there are forms of knowledge of, say, cow and tree, which I become aware of from memory, that again indicates a vanilla ground of I do not know what. Finally, I know I am the observer, apart from these ' forms ' of perception and knowledge, that is the both the self - experiencer ( affected ) and the self - witness ( the unaffected vanilla ground of I do not know what ). Each vanilla ground is as imperceptible as Space. I know nothing, can know nothing, of Space without lumps or particles of matter to mark it. And like Time, which is likewise as imperceptible without change or motion in it ! In these considerations, of the vanilla grounds, the material is not even relevant. Concepts springing from the material ... physics, biology, genetics, religion, advaita, nirvana ... they all bring me back to the same. The Ground(s). With my familiarity with the entire process(es), I believe all forms of ' experience or perception ' and ' knowledge ' are as pre-existing in the Ground(s) as this entire manifest material universe was in that that was at or before the big bang. In other words, the forms of ' experience ' and ' knowledge ' of all things extinct yet pre-exists. Even, all possibilities not, or not yet, manifest. Thank you for the patience. I am afraid I would not be able to answer your further questions. On Sep 6, 8:36 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote: > 2009/9/6 Vam <[email protected]>: > > > > > " Well, that is interesting. So where is this 'self' waiting for the > > brain? Why is there no memory of self before conception? How do you > > measure its longevity? How long has it been waiting? How does this > > self without a brain begin to exist? What does it do while it is > > waiting ?" > > > These questions are best ( and perhaps more immediately ) answered > > through one's own effort because they pertain to you, your self, your > > mind. Why should you require another person to pry open or reveal what > > is yours, what you are ? > > Well, I have zero experience of anything for which I would want to use > the word 'soul' (compounded by the fact that I don't know exactly what > people mean when they use the word). I have no concept of soul or self > that isn't simply the result of brain function. I exist, I make > assumptions that others exist as I do. > > However, the questions I asked are because I have no idea what people > are talking about when they make statements that seem to indicate that > self precedes conception. It sounds, frankly, fanciful and without any > basis at all. So, if you and others can answer those questions perhaps > the use of the words will make sense to me. Care to answer them for > yourself? > > Thanks. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
