I am the eggman!
On Sep 10, 8:31 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...and he's dead.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Paul is the walrus.
>
> > On Sep 10, 3:01 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Yes, Paul is dead. The author of to have a group or not to have a
> > > group is not. That's what is making me sick.
>
> > > On 10 Sep., 15:30, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 10 Sep, 00:38, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Everything I have written in this article is based on scripture and
> > > > > much of it on the writings of the apostle Paul. If you don’t
> > recognise
> > > > > Paul’s authority then we don’t really have much common ground for
> > > > > discussion.
> > > > > Adam.
>
> > > > I suppose so. Paul WAS Paul's authority and one no one should
> > > > recognise if they want to understand the truth. Best of luck, then!!
>
> > > > > On Sep 7, 7:14 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 5 Sep, 05:38, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > There are some things that have worried and perplexed
> > church-going
> > > > > > > people for centuries.
> > > > > > > For example.
> > > > > > > Why does God remain silent?
>
> > > > > > He doesn't. He speaks whenever you hear a voice.
>
> > > > > > >Why are prayers ineffective?
>
> > > > > > They aren't. But, sometimes, the answer is no.
>
> > > > > > >Why does He
> > > > > > > not interfere in men’s affairs?
>
> > > > > > He does. constantly. Men's affairs are not men's affairs,
> > they're
> > > > > > God's affairs.
>
> > > > > > >Why does He not prevent evil?
>
> > > > > > Evil is perceived by men given limited knowledge. God, seeing
> > all
> > > > > > with omniscience, knows better than to think of anything as evil.
>
> > > > > > >Why does
> > > > > > > He not punish evil doers?
>
> > > > > > Here or elsewhere? Have a quick peek into Hell and tell me if
> > you
> > > > > > still feel that way.
>
> > > > > > >How does predestination work?
>
> > > > > > Through the mechanism of space-time.
>
> > > > > > >Are people
> > > > > > > saved by faith or works?
>
> > > > > > Neither. Salvation is not required. Understanding IS.
>
> > > > > > > I am going to try to answer all these question in this article.
> > > > > > > I will attempt to explain the reason for our existence as
> > revealed by
> > > > > > > the Bible.
> > > > > > > I will also try to reveal the mind and purpose of God from the
> > same
> > > > > > > source and explain His two plans of salvation.
> > > > > > > The Bible records that both Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden
> > fruit
> > > > > > > and they eventually died.
> > > > > > > The fruit contained drugs which had several effects on them both.
> > > > > > > Their knowledge was increased because their eyes were opened and
> > they
> > > > > > > realised that they were naked. They became mortal and they became
> > > > > > > selfish. So the fruit contained a mind-altering drug, a slow
> > acting
> > > > > > > poison that made them mortal and it changed their DNA structure
> > to
> > > > > > > produce the “selfish gene” (a description invented by atheist
> > Richard
> > > > > > > Dawkins). This selfish gene and the mortality would be passed on
> > to
> > > > > > > all their offspring right up to the present time.
>
> > > > > > I would say that the fruit was the concept of choice. Once
> > humans
> > > > > > believed they had free will, they were doomed to act as if they
> > were
> > > > > > gods. Rather, they should accept that the only will IS God's and
> > that
> > > > > > we perform God's will.
>
> > > > > > > These changes were not a punishment imposed upon the pair by God.
> > They
> > > > > > > were the natural consequences of eating a drugged substance. God
> > did
> > > > > > > punish them by imposing pain in childbirth upon Eve and hard
> > > > > > > unfruitful labour upon Adam. The punishments were designed to
> > show
> > > > > > > them that their actions had caused pain to God and had made His
> > work
> > > > > > > unfruitful.
>
> > > > > > Mortality was also given out as a punishment, BTW.
>
> > > > > > > God’s purpose in creating mankind was to produce a race of people
> > > > > > > willingly obedient to His word. He would then give eternal life
> > to
> > > > > > > this race of people and dwell with them on the earth.
>
> > > > > > Well said. Too bad we have no faith in that anymore.
>
> > > > > > > This purpose has been delayed because of the sin of the original
> > pair
> > > > > > > in the Garden of Eden.
>
> > > > > > No, the delay is because of humanity's lack of faith IN God. For
> > > > > > example, the Jews were commanded to build an ark and and ephod and
> > a
> > > > > > breastplate, etc. Since these were lost, no one has bothered to
> > > > > > replace them. This is a GROSS oversight and is what is causing the
> > > > > > delay of ther Messianic period.
>
> > > > > > > Sin may be defined as “the failure to love God and neighbour”.
>
> > > > > Insofar as both of those are as a result of human vanity, yes.
>
> > > > > > >The
> > > > > > > proof that we love God is if we obey His commands and if we obey
> > those
> > > > > > > commands (which deal with the fair treatment of other people)
> > then we
> > > > > > > love our neighbour. The two go together. Ignorance of God is also
> > sin
> > > > > > > because we can’t love or obey what we don’t know.
>
> > > > > > Ignorance is not, of necessity, sin. However, once one has been
> > > > > > exposed to the concept, then (continued) ignorance becomes willing
> > and
> > > > > > a form of vanity where one places themselves before God.
>
> > > > > > > The selfishness which is a part of every one of us is what
> > theologians
> > > > > > > have called “original sin”. Some seem to think that we all bear
> > the
> > > > > > > guilt of Adam’s sin. This is rubbish. We are not guilty of Adam’s
> > sin
> > > > > > > but we do indeed suffer the results of it.
>
> > > > > > Adam's sin was to feel that he had a choice, i.e., that he could
> > > > > > actually defy God and 'choose' to act in any particular way. I
> > assure
> > > > > > you that most humans are VERY guilty of that.
>
> > > > > > >The inherent selfishness in
> > > > > > > our bodies is “sinful human flesh” and it alienates us from God.
> > We
> > > > > > > are all, then, classified as “sinners” by God and are doomed to
> > die.
> > > > > > > In fact it is necessary for all of us to die to destroy the
> > selfish
> > > > > > > gene within us all. This selfish gene is what is known as ‘the
> > devil’
> > > > > > > in scriptural terms. So Christ destroyed the devil within himself
> > by
> > > > > > > his death.
>
> > > > > > If that were true, then there would be no temptation after
> > Jesus'
> > > > > > death. As that is NOT the case, Jesus' death did NOT perform that
> > > > > > destruction. Besides, who would Michael battle in Armageddon if
> > Satan
> > > > > > were already destroyed? Small inconsistency there, Adam.
>
> > > > > > > After the disobedience of the first human pair God could have
> > > > > > > destroyed them and started again with a new pair. But he did not
> > > > > > > destroy them. He allowed them to procreate and bring about the
> > human
> > > > > > > race as we see it today together with all its imperfections.
> > > > > > > After the flood God gradually reduced the lifespan of all humans
> > to a
> > > > > > > maximum of 120 years but He apparently did not want everybody to
> > die
> > > > > > > solely from old age. So He introduced many and varied ways of
> > bringing
> > > > > > > about their death. Old age, epidemics and accidents were just a
> > few
> > > > > > > ways of accomplished this end. There are also earthquakes and
> > volcanic
> > > > > > > eruption and tidal waves and stillbirths, etc. This great variety
> > of
> > > > > > > ways to die ensures that no one knows just how or when he will
> > lose
> > > > > > > his life. In the light of this it is wrong to say that God has
> > given
> > > > > > > us life. It is more accurate to say that God has lent us life for
> > a
> > > > > > > relatively short time to see if we can overcome our inherent
> > > > > > > selfishness and treat our neighbours fairly.
>
> > > > > > A great insight there, Adam. We owe everything to God, our life,
> > our
> > > > > > sense of self and all our environment.
>
> > > > > > >God has thrown us in at
> > > > > > > the deep end to see which ones of us can rise above our nature.
> > Even
> > > > > > > the most primitive people know the difference between right and
> > wrong
> > > > > > > because we all have a conscience which will either justify or
> > condemn
> > > > > > > us on the day of judgement.
>
> > > > > > Right and wrong, like good and evil, are in the eyes of the
> > beholder.
> > > > > > God doesn't see them. What He does see is selfishness, which is
> > when
> > > > > > Man separates himself from God by claiming "I".
>
> > > > > > > In the Old Testament the word ‘heaven’ generally means ‘the sky’
> > but
> > > > > > > in prophecy it often has a symbolic meaning. It means ‘the place
> > where
> > > > > > > the seat of government is located’ and the ‘earth’ means ‘the
> > common
> > > > > > > people’ or subjects of that government. Thus God, being the
> > supreme
> > > > > > > ruler of the universe, dwells in heaven somewhere, and on earth
> > the
> > > > > > > various kings and governments also inhabit their local ‘heaven’.
>
> > > > > > God, being omnipresent, dwells everywhere.
>
> > > > > > > In Paul’s day the seat of government was in Rome so when he wrote
> > that
> > > > > > > the gospel had been ‘preached to every creature which is under
> > > > > > > heaven’, he did not mean that it had been preached in Japan or on
> > the
> > > > > > > American continent, he meant that it had only been preached
> > throughout
> > > > > > > the Roman Empire.
>
> > > > > > Or, rather, that he was extending his
>
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>
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