Again, in the USA...some states, Texas is one, those with diminished capacity..such as very low IQs are routinely put to death. 'Our' justice is indeed blind.
On Sep 14, 8:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I think then at the trial, diminished capacity needs to be proven. We > don't ask anyone to stand trial and prove that while they are > suffering diminished capacity. Seems humane to me. > > On Sep 14, 11:40 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "...That seems more like vengance to me." - lee > > > Many do conflate the two...many! > > > On Sep 14, 8:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Umm draconian, perhaps, twisted sense of what justice is maybe? > > > > It makes no logical sense to me. If a man cannot be tried on the > > > grounds of dimished reponsiblity, then when/if he gets better that > > > does not mean that at the time of the crime his responsiblity was any > > > less dimished. > > > > That seems more like vengance to me. > > > > On 14 Sep, 16:31, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "...If then there comes a time when that person is well, that is no > > > > longer > > > > suffers from mental ill health, then it is also right that they be > > > > intergrated back into society. ..." lee > > > > > The problem, at least here in the states, is that when said person > > > > with mental illness is 'cured' enough, they can then be tried for the > > > > crime they committed while ill!!! Draconian at the very least! > > > > > On Sep 14, 6:05 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes I agree. Yet being 'stressed out' is not what this particular > > > > > case is about. > > > > > > When I mentioned that the law already makes provision for the state of > > > > > mind during a crime, what I mean is if somebody is deemed unfit to > > > > > stand trial due to mental illness then they are, quiet rightly, put > > > > > away into a medical facility. This is good, it shows that in the eyes > > > > > of the law then that mental health issue is reconised as such. > > > > > > If then there comes a time when that person is well, that is no longer > > > > > suffers from mental ill health, then it is also right that they be > > > > > intergrated back into society. > > > > > > On the whole though Slip, it rather saddens me to witness such actions > > > > > as performed by the black cabbies, based on a lack of education and > > > > > possibly experiance. > > > > > > On 14 Sep, 13:37, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't define justice, lee, it is already defined. > > > > > > > I don't think sentence reductions based on emotional duress is > > > > > > justice. > > > > > > > If a sentence is a standard 25 years I don't think the criminal > > > > > > should > > > > > > only get 5 because he was stressed out. It's ridiculous, "In my > > > > > > Opinion". > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 7:23 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Justice, or vengance Slip? > > > > > > > > What do you define justice as? > > > > > > > > Normal life, in this context means a life as lived free of the > > > > > > > symptoms of paranoid scizophrenia. That 'maybe 'should have read > > > > > > > 'many', my applogies. > > > > > > > > Yes I guess you don't have to agree with any law, you can break as > > > > > > > many as you like, and then suffer the consequesnces. > > > > > > > > Part of the way I try to live my life means that I always try to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > things from the other side, to put myself in the shoes of others. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > know if I had suffered mental health issues and was now medicated > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > in effect no longer ill, I would want the chance to work, to make > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > myself a life. Would you not want the same? > > > > > > > > On 14 Sep, 13:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. <<Lee > > > > > > > > > Ok, I stand corrected, you are just compassinate, that's it. > > > > > > > > > Maybe scizorphincs can lead a normal life. >>Lee > > > > > > > > > Yes, maybe scizorphincs can. > > > > > > > > > Of course if someone else made that statement you would be the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > to break it down to clarification of "normal life". > > > > > > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a > > > > > > > > crime, can > > > > > > > > we do any less? >>Lee > > > > > > > > > I don't make the laws and don't have to agree with them. > > > > > > > > The case you present sounds more like judicial politics than > > > > > > > > justice. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 4:12 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now now Slip, lets not start by telling lies about me huh. > > > > > > > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not really worried about either to tell the truth, I know > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > scizorphincs canlead a normal life, and yes there is always > > > > > > > > > the chance > > > > > > > > > that this man may stop taking his medication and relaspe, but > > > > > > > > > you know > > > > > > > > > there is alsways the chance that anybody may full pray to > > > > > > > > > deppresion > > > > > > > > > and commit all many of awful acts, so if you are looking for a > > > > > > > > > certianty, a risk free black cab driver, well you're just not > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > get it. > > > > > > > > > > To my mind the action of these black cab drivers speaks > > > > > > > > > volumes on > > > > > > > > > their ignorance of that particular mental illness, again I > > > > > > > > > get that, I > > > > > > > > > wish it was not like it, but alas it is, education sir is > > > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > advocate. > > > > > > > > > > Let us remind ourselves also that there is scope within the > > > > > > > > > law for > > > > > > > > > mental health issues. > > > > > > > > > > Another little tale form the life of Lee for you. > > > > > > > > > > I have told you before of my dad getting 'all stabbed up' > > > > > > > > > when I was > > > > > > > > > 16. During the court apperance of the bloke 'what did it' > > > > > > > > > whilst my > > > > > > > > > dad was in the witness box telling his side of the story it > > > > > > > > > came out > > > > > > > > > that after he had been stabbed in the wrist and the leg and > > > > > > > > > then the > > > > > > > > > chest, my dad asked the man 'wooh there, you don't really > > > > > > > > > want to kill > > > > > > > > > me do you'. It was right then that the bloke stabbed him in > > > > > > > > > the neck. > > > > > > > > > > Ultimatly the man got a two year suspended sentance(suspended > > > > > > > > > also for > > > > > > > > > two years). Why he lenancy? > > > > > > > > > > The man was suffering from depression, his son had died just > > > > > > > > > the week > > > > > > > > > previouse to him stabbing my dad. > > > > > > > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a > > > > > > > > > crime, can > > > > > > > > > we do any less? > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Sep, 22:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just hung on the "Killed His Wife" part, but knowing how > > > > > > > > > > compassionate you are towards murderers, Lee, I can > > > > > > > > > > understand your > > > > > > > > > > tendentious view. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure that Black cab drivers have a legitimate complaint > > > > > > > > > > in that > > > > > > > > > > many people will undoubtedly "avoid" hailing a cab with a > > > > > > > > > > black driver > > > > > > > > > > as precautionary measure to being killed by a relapse of > > > > > > > > > > paranoid > > > > > > > > > > schizophrenia. > > > > > > > > > > > But of course your more worried about the schizoid murderer > > > > > > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > black cab drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 7:25 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday on our local London news I hear that thousands > > > > > > > > > > > of black cab > > > > > > > > > > > drivers intend to take to the streets to express their > > > > > > > > > > > feelings of > > > > > > > > > > > anger over a convicted murderer being given licence to > > > > > > > > > > > take 'the > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge' reqiured to allow him to become a black cab > > > > > > > > > > > driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > The man is a paraniod scizophrenic who killed his wife > > > > > > > > > > > and has been > > > > > > > > > > > held for 9 years before being given a clean bill of > > > > > > > > > > > health and has > > > > > > > > > > > since been released. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8233750.stm > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have personal experiance with scizophrenia, no not > > > > > > > > > > > me but a very > > > > > > > > > > > good friend of mine, and I know that with the proper > > > > > > > > > > > medicain those > > > > > > > > > > > who suffer form this illness can and do live more or less > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary > > > > > > > > > > > lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > You all know me by now so it should come as no suppries > > > > > > > > > > > to learn that > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sorta disgusted by the proposed actions of our > > > > > > > > > > > cabbies. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is in this country a huge stigma attached to mental > > > > > > > > > > > health and a > > > > > > > > > > > lack of understanding of the effects it can have on those > > > > > > > > > > > who suffer > > > > > > > > > > > and their families, I wish it was not so as it seems > > > > > > > > > > > simple to me, you > > > > > > > > > > > would not protest against a man who had say broken a hand > > > > > > > > > > > and wished > > > > > > > > > > > to become a cabbie. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't really supprise me though, I figure that not > > > > > > > > > > > everybody has > > > > > > > > > > > encountred those who sufffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what do you think?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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