In Lee's father's case I don't see the sense of leniency. I mean where to draw the line?
Hypothetical case: Man has argument with wife, she insists on divorce, man becomes raged but leaves for work. On the way to work the man encounters a traffic snarl in which he exchanges some heated words with another driver, the man exists his vehicle and starts stabbing the man. Trial: Defense attorney: Well your honor, my client was under a great deal of stress. Judge: Oh gee, that's rough, well then we'll cut the sentence down 80% OR Judge: It doesn't make any difference, your client stabbed an innocent person. Point here is the victim is an "innocent recipient" of someone's anger or illness. The Schizophrenic who killed his wife has no business behind the wheel of a vehicle transporting innocent people. IF anything he should be in a "supervised" work environment within which personality tendencies or abnormalities may be noticed. On Sep 14, 10:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I think then at the trial, diminished capacity needs to be proven. We > don't ask anyone to stand trial and prove that while they are > suffering diminished capacity. Seems humane to me. > > On Sep 14, 11:40 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "...That seems more like vengance to me." - lee > > > Many do conflate the two...many! > > > On Sep 14, 8:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Umm draconian, perhaps, twisted sense of what justice is maybe? > > > > It makes no logical sense to me. If a man cannot be tried on the > > > grounds of dimished reponsiblity, then when/if he gets better that > > > does not mean that at the time of the crime his responsiblity was any > > > less dimished. > > > > That seems more like vengance to me. > > > > On 14 Sep, 16:31, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "...If then there comes a time when that person is well, that is no > > > > longer > > > > suffers from mental ill health, then it is also right that they be > > > > intergrated back into society. ..." lee > > > > > The problem, at least here in the states, is that when said person > > > > with mental illness is 'cured' enough, they can then be tried for the > > > > crime they committed while ill!!! Draconian at the very least! > > > > > On Sep 14, 6:05 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes I agree. Yet being 'stressed out' is not what this particular > > > > > case is about. > > > > > > When I mentioned that the law already makes provision for the state of > > > > > mind during a crime, what I mean is if somebody is deemed unfit to > > > > > stand trial due to mental illness then they are, quiet rightly, put > > > > > away into a medical facility. This is good, it shows that in the eyes > > > > > of the law then that mental health issue is reconised as such. > > > > > > If then there comes a time when that person is well, that is no longer > > > > > suffers from mental ill health, then it is also right that they be > > > > > intergrated back into society. > > > > > > On the whole though Slip, it rather saddens me to witness such actions > > > > > as performed by the black cabbies, based on a lack of education and > > > > > possibly experiance. > > > > > > On 14 Sep, 13:37, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't define justice, lee, it is already defined. > > > > > > > I don't think sentence reductions based on emotional duress is > > > > > > justice. > > > > > > > If a sentence is a standard 25 years I don't think the criminal > > > > > > should > > > > > > only get 5 because he was stressed out. It's ridiculous, "In my > > > > > > Opinion". > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 7:23 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Justice, or vengance Slip? > > > > > > > > What do you define justice as? > > > > > > > > Normal life, in this context means a life as lived free of the > > > > > > > symptoms of paranoid scizophrenia. That 'maybe 'should have read > > > > > > > 'many', my applogies. > > > > > > > > Yes I guess you don't have to agree with any law, you can break as > > > > > > > many as you like, and then suffer the consequesnces. > > > > > > > > Part of the way I try to live my life means that I always try to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > things from the other side, to put myself in the shoes of others. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > know if I had suffered mental health issues and was now medicated > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > in effect no longer ill, I would want the chance to work, to make > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > myself a life. Would you not want the same? > > > > > > > > On 14 Sep, 13:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. <<Lee > > > > > > > > > Ok, I stand corrected, you are just compassinate, that's it. > > > > > > > > > Maybe scizorphincs can lead a normal life. >>Lee > > > > > > > > > Yes, maybe scizorphincs can. > > > > > > > > > Of course if someone else made that statement you would be the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > to break it down to clarification of "normal life". > > > > > > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a > > > > > > > > crime, can > > > > > > > > we do any less? >>Lee > > > > > > > > > I don't make the laws and don't have to agree with them. > > > > > > > > The case you present sounds more like judicial politics than > > > > > > > > justice. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 4:12 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now now Slip, lets not start by telling lies about me huh. > > > > > > > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not really worried about either to tell the truth, I know > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > scizorphincs canlead a normal life, and yes there is always > > > > > > > > > the chance > > > > > > > > > that this man may stop taking his medication and relaspe, but > > > > > > > > > you know > > > > > > > > > there is alsways the chance that anybody may full pray to > > > > > > > > > deppresion > > > > > > > > > and commit all many of awful acts, so if you are looking for a > > > > > > > > > certianty, a risk free black cab driver, well you're just not > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > get it. > > > > > > > > > > To my mind the action of these black cab drivers speaks > > > > > > > > > volumes on > > > > > > > > > their ignorance of that particular mental illness, again I > > > > > > > > > get that, I > > > > > > > > > wish it was not like it, but alas it is, education sir is > > > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > advocate. > > > > > > > > > > Let us remind ourselves also that there is scope within the > > > > > > > > > law for > > > > > > > > > mental health issues. > > > > > > > > > > Another little tale form the life of Lee for you. > > > > > > > > > > I have told you before of my dad getting 'all stabbed up' > > > > > > > > > when I was > > > > > > > > > 16. During the court apperance of the bloke 'what did it' > > > > > > > > > whilst my > > > > > > > > > dad was in the witness box telling his side of the story it > > > > > > > > > came out > > > > > > > > > that after he had been stabbed in the wrist and the leg and > > > > > > > > > then the > > > > > > > > > chest, my dad asked the man 'wooh there, you don't really > > > > > > > > > want to kill > > > > > > > > > me do you'. It was right then that the bloke stabbed him in > > > > > > > > > the neck. > > > > > > > > > > Ultimatly the man got a two year suspended sentance(suspended > > > > > > > > > also for > > > > > > > > > two years). Why he lenancy? > > > > > > > > > > The man was suffering from depression, his son had died just > > > > > > > > > the week > > > > > > > > > previouse to him stabbing my dad. > > > > > > > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a > > > > > > > > > crime, can > > > > > > > > > we do any less? > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Sep, 22:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just hung on the "Killed His Wife" part, but knowing how > > > > > > > > > > compassionate you are towards murderers, Lee, I can > > > > > > > > > > understand your > > > > > > > > > > tendentious view. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure that Black cab drivers have a legitimate complaint > > > > > > > > > > in that > > > > > > > > > > many people will undoubtedly "avoid" hailing a cab with a > > > > > > > > > > black driver > > > > > > > > > > as precautionary measure to being killed by a relapse of > > > > > > > > > > paranoid > > > > > > > > > > schizophrenia. > > > > > > > > > > > But of course your more worried about the schizoid murderer > > > > > > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > black cab drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 7:25 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday on our local London news I hear that thousands > > > > > > > > > > > of black cab > > > > > > > > > > > drivers intend to take to the streets to express their > > > > > > > > > > > feelings of > > > > > > > > > > > anger over a convicted murderer being given licence to > > > > > > > > > > > take 'the > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge' reqiured to allow him to become a black cab > > > > > > > > > > > driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > The man is a paraniod scizophrenic who killed his wife > > > > > > > > > > > and has been > > > > > > > > > > > held for 9 years before being given a clean bill of > > > > > > > > > > > health and has > > > > > > > > > > > since been released. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8233750.stm > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have personal experiance with scizophrenia, no not > > > > > > > > > > > me but a very > > > > > > > > > > > good friend of mine, and I know that with the proper > > > > > > > > > > > medicain those > > > > > > > > > > > who suffer form this illness can and do live more or less > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary > > > > > > > > > > > lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > You all know me by now so it should come as no suppries > > > > > > > > > > > to learn that > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sorta disgusted by the proposed actions of our > > > > > > > > > > > cabbies. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is in this country a huge stigma attached to mental > > > > > > > > > > > health and a > > > > > > > > > > > lack of understanding of the effects it can have on those > > > > > > > > > > > who suffer > > > > > > > > > > > and their families, I wish it was not so as it seems > > > > > > > > > > > simple to me, you > > > > > > > > > > > would not protest against a man who had say broken a hand > > > > > > > > > > > and wished > > > > > > > > > > > to become a cabbie. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't really supprise me though, I figure that not > > > > > > > > > > > everybody has > > > > > > > > > > > encountred those who sufffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what do you think?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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