Update, yes, on the basis of perceived present day deficits in civil interaction.
No to re-understanding movements that are based on the personal prophets right to be right. On 21 Sep., 12:17, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16 Sep, 23:02, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Pat for the information; I guess that you have visited the > > Middle East region personally. I wish I could visit Mt Sinai indeed, > > since I seem interested more and more in religions lately; but I can > > not see it happening in the near future. > > When I talk about policies, I want to talk about future religious > > policies, because I reckon that they are overdue now, people have > > changed since then, so religion needs to change too, so I wish that > > God (whatever God may be) causes something to happen that changes will > > be made, even if those changes may not be universally approved by > > everybody. I am not saying here that old religions will be abolished, > > but rather that there will be a new chapter to add to the existing > > religions. > > I hope you see what I mean? > > Regards > > Manfraco > > Not only do I see what you mean, I already see that process > starting. If I'm right in my physical/religious theories, then we're > on the very verge of that update. The message will be pretty much the > same as before. That is, that morality, as presented in previous > revelations, will be validated. But there's going to have to be some > work done in order to DO that. And one of the first bits of that > work, I think, is to convince Orthodox Judaism that Islam is the > fulfilment of the Torah's statement (Genesis 17:20) that "As for > Ishmael...I will bless him..." and that 'that statement' is a > foreshadowing of a covenant between the 'God of Abraham' and Ishmael's > descendants, i.e., Islam via Muhammed. In return, Muslims need to > und ertand that 'The God of Abraham'has no prroblem with people who > accept either of His covenants (Torah or Qur'an) and that, Muslims > should nt bearr a grudge against those who have accepted the Sinaitic > (Jewish) covenant. Such are-underrstanding could lay the groundwork > for less enmity between the two peoples. But, of course, there will > be great resistance to this from both sides. And, there's still the > question of 'what to do about the Christians?', i.e., those who > believe that one covenant (the Sinaitic) has been superceded by a > philoophy witth no direc revelatioon to support it. Tricky!!! > > > On Sep 15, 9:24 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 15 Sep, 00:06, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wote: > > > > > > Hi dj and everybody else! lling character, what ease could he > > > > be, since he had seen the power of God very close at hand; so, every > > > > time Moses is mentioned the masses are bound to tune in and be > > > > thrilled. > > > > I wander though whether Moses saw really God, up on Mount Sinai? You > > > > know it does not explain clearly for me to be satisfied beyond any > > > > doubts. Now God's purpose then was to help the Jews; but what's God's > > > > purpose nowadays is still a mystery to me. > > > > I wish that God's purpose was to satisfy people needs, but it doesn't > > > > seem that way at all; I wish that God would show up one day and put > > > > forward policies about what we would like to have from Him, instead of > > > > sitting on the fence and having fun at us all? > > > > I would have thought that, the God of 'Mt. Sinai', i.e., 'The God > > > of Abraham' has already listed his 'policies' in the Torah and/or > > > Qur'an, depending on whether one wants to adhere to the Isaac-side > > > covenant or the Ishael-side co > > >. Why not go to 'Mt. Sinai' > > > yourself and see if you can meet up with God, the see ihe particular > > > 'mountain' you want now goes by the name of 'Jebel Al-Madhbah' and is > > > a part of the cluster of hills/mountains around Petra in Jordan. The > > >ns arel M Petra ld Mount Catherine) was never Mt. Sinai, rather, it was > > > suspected because it's the highe > > auspe the Sinai peninsula. But, > > > if you read the description of the approach to 'Mt. Sinai' in Exodus, > > > it perfectly describes 'Jebel Al-Madhbah' including the bluish stone > > > (sapphire, in Exodus) and the obelisks found in the 'nether nd thn' > > > oelisks the mountain, as well as the 'High Place' itself. Not to mention that > > > the 'Ain Musa', the spring of Moses, is just outside the entrance to > > > Petra, just where it was described in Exodujus whe e: > > > > > > Ah, yes. My favorite part in that movie was when Moses says "You can > > > > > have these tablets when you take them from my cold, dead hands!" > > > > > Thrilling! > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I don't agree with that. I think it is the greatest story ever told > > >wr > > (not original, I know.) But read and you will find myriad > > > > > > interpretations of the bible. It wasn't until I was able to read it > > > > > > for myself, and feel the stories alive in me, that I understood the > > > > > > greatness of the stories. > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 3:34 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Adam the bible is interesting but mostly fiction and or twisted > > > > > >> ideas ... > > > > > >> etc etc > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > >> On Thu fietion and 9 at 11:27 PM, Adam <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > OK. If the Bible is true, then I think I have given a good > > > > > >> > summary of > > > > > >> > how things are. > > > > > >> > If not, then it doesn't matter anyway. I posted this same > > > > > >> > article on > > > > > >> > alt.bible.prophecy > > > > > >> > and got only one reply, and that was abusive. And they are > > > > > >> > supposed to > > > > > >> > believ in God!! > > > > > >> > Adam. > > > > > > >> > On Sep 10, 2:30 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > This is true, Adam, but you are riding the fence. Obviously > > > > > >> > > the > > > > > >e: > >content of the article (thread) is about scripture, which as we all > > > > > >> > > know is founded upon a belief, a concept, therefore it would > > > > > >> > > follow > > > > > >> > > that any and all posts would address that concept. > > > > > >> > > I understand that you are 'not' presenting a position which > > > > > >> > > posits the > > > > > >> > > existence of God, a God or any Deity, but simply presents > > > > > >> > > questions > > > > > >> > > relating to the concept of such an existence. However, still > > > > > >> > > and > > > > > >> > > without any veering, it is still a thread based upon a > > > > > >> > > conceptual > > > > > >> > > God. A discussion in it's most simplistic form regarding > > > > > >> > > "scripture" > > > > > >> > > is indeed a discussion of a conceptual deity. > > > > > > >> > > On Sep 9, 10:13 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > What I wrote was not intended to be a proof of the existence > > > > > >> > > > of God or > > > > > >> > > > of the truth of the Bible. It was just a summary of the > > > > > >> > > > things that I > > > > > >> > > > had discovered through extensive reading of the scriptures. > > > > > >> > > > So when > > > > > >> > > > some of you attacked the concept of God rather than the > > > > > >> > > > content of the > > > > > >> > > > article I did not feel obliged to defend that concept. > > > > > >> > > > Others can do > > > > > >> > > > that more effectively than I. > > > > > >> > > > Adam. > > > > > > >> > > > On Sep 9, 7:34 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > I guess Adam may have been a boxer in a past life, a quick > > > > > >> > > > > jab in and > > > > > >> > > > > then back out agian. > > > > > > >> > > > > On 5 Sep, 05:38, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:- Hide > > > > > >> > > > > quoted > > > > > >> > text - > > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> ( > > > > > >> ) > > > > > >> I_D Allan-> - S quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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