I think we have probably developed the technologies that would actually allow democracy Don, but they are keeping this from us! I wonder what most of us would settle for around the world, given the chance? The only reason I can think of for the dire militarism we suffer from is that we all think we need to protect ourselves - maybe this notion (suitably refined to prevent banditry) is a mad as the old text above portraying the Proddie revolution as one of 'free love'? We always demonise the 'other lot', yet around the world I have always found 'quiet people' I like a lot and who can see through and put up with me pretty easily. In the end, I suspect 'they' believe none of us would ever do anything productive if we had control over and security in local work, community and play - 'productive' being misconstrued by 'them' as to do with heaping stuff on their piles. There is nowhere left to run off to - space is denied us in this form. The answer for may decades has been some kind of non-Empire World Government of some kind of minimalist form providing freedom under law, but this has proved very easy for 'money' to subvert. My own view on the Establishment is probably as mad as the 'Protestant free-love-subversive ethic' (Max Weber seems to have missed this one). I just think power really does tend to corrupt and that we should try and find forms of leadership that don't reside in individuals. I sense my own megalomania enough to know I don't want power! I've seen enough scrote behaviour to know I don't want the kind of freedom that causes-allows that! Hobbes got a lot right in that we give up power to an 'absolute' as some kind of necessary evil to stop war-lording - but now the world has this on a bigger scale - so we always have some nightmare creeps to project our own madness onto, organising ourselves 'rationally' to combat the demons at the city gates and keep them out. We don't seem to be much good at identifying what it is we can do well and how that could stop the truly rotten stuff that we seem to be held in fear of. The catch-22 seems to be that being frightened of being under the decisions of others keeps us under the decisions of the lesser demon.
On 21 Sep, 11:13, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Nothing like a little persecution to motivate one to head for greener > pastures. Worked for the Pilgrims. Now where do we go? New Zealand > is just too damn cold for me. > > dj > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > An anonymous pamphlet published in summer 1555 painted a terrifying > > picture of a Protestant England in which the fabric of society had > > been eroded, > > '... all good order broken, the magistrates contempned, and the people > > so farre divided that the father dread the childe, the marchaunt hys > > prentysce, the master hys man . . . Amitie and friendship was fled the > > realme, truth and trust was outtroden, al good maners and nurture in > > youth exiled, the very norishe of chastetee in maydens cast of cleane, > > so that what eche man liked and lusted, that he thought lawful...' > > > This communistic free-for-all cannot have been what people remembered > > of Edward’s reign. Perhaps they thought it had all happened in the > > next parish, or just over the hill. This was what became of England in > > rebellion against Catholicism and accepting the word of priests like > > babes. A few Protestant worthies were put to the sword, and far more > > innocents, in an attempt at correction. > > > Anyone notice certain harmonies in this stuff and the reaction of > > Obama's modest national health plans? The last line of the ancient > > text kills me - surely it cannot be that Catholic maydens were ever > > the epitome of chastetee, or there would never have been any practice > > for us Proddie lads until forced to settle down to the ice cold > > domesticity of one of our own! I can only hope that Che Obama gets on > > with collapsing the fabric of US society by letting everyone have > > health insurance! Marxism works in mysterious ways indeed! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
