" The leadership meme seems to support itself well in survival and we are not addressing this well in our discourse."
This seeming support for leadership in your view is a stranger for me here, Neil, considering how pathologically abhorrent an idea you have consistently presented it as in your posts here in past. What happened, in this late age ? No, this is a genuine surprise I express. Especially since a ' collective ' leadership is largely theoretical ... yes, Athens like ! This is adult talk I am attempting. It seldom happens. So if doesn't now, I wouldn't be surprised ! On Sep 22, 6:27 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Workers of the world were supposed to unite - sadly the employers > did! On greed (somewhat tangentially), we are discovering links > between emotions and how we come to 'define terms' in our arguments. > Disgust has had a lot of attention in links to morality. Greed would > seem to have some moderated use in putting things away for a rainy > day. In terms of it leaving the hearts of 'people' (no doubt an > unwanted PC point over Orn here!) I go for a democratic technology. > Like Don I don't fear other peoples, though I'd move from dictators to > 'hierarchies' - these (including ours) are now often 'false > democracies'. For me, the answers lie in technology - though this > cannot be the 'heartless form'. The leadership meme seems to support > itself well in survival and we are not addressing this well in our > discourse. > > On 22 Sep, 08:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…Anyone notice certain harmonies in this stuff and the reaction of > > Obama's modest national health plans? …” - archy > > > Yes, much of the same revision of history along with using propaganda > > (lies) and fear tactics by those with power. Unfortunately, the ‘rest > > of the story’ includes: > > > “…The Marian propagandists appealed to a yearning for peace and > > stability. But a whole generation had grown up since Henry’s break > > with Rome, and much of the Marian effort surely represents the > > unseemly spectacle of men trying to catch the genie of free thought > > and put it back in the bottle. Protestantism, certainly, was a > > minority faith, but though the numbers who stood up to witness could > > be counted, it was less easy to anticipate or evaluate the > > undercurrent of strong feeling that showed itself on the execution > > grounds. The advisers of Philip of Spain, Mary’s husband, grew > > nervous; it was possible that public opinion would blame Philip’s > > influence for the burnings, so perhaps, on pragmatic grounds, the > > executions should be suspended, or held in secret? The imperial > > ambassador told Philip that at the burning of John Rogers at > > Smithfield in February 1555, ‘some of the onlookers wept, others > > prayed to God to give him strength, perseverance and patience to bear > > the pain and not to recant, others gathered the ashes and bones and > > wrapped them up in paper to preserve them, yet others threatening the > > bishops.’ The ambassador was afraid of popular revolt. It did not > > happen, and there was, Duffy says, no loss of nerve on the part of > > bishops, queen or the cardinal-archbishop. The regime had succeeded > > with its chosen weapons of teaching, preaching and burning alive, and > > by 1557 very few held out; most of the intransigents had gone into > > exile or knuckled under. The parish constable of St Bride’s, Fleet > > Street, once a strongly evangelical area, assured the authorities that > > ‘if you say the Crowe is white, I will say so too.’…” > > > There followed a flu epidemic that took out the powerful and elite… > > and, as condemning as it may be, I pray for a similar result in the > > Colonies. Perhaps the fanatics will fall to the microbe. Perhaps a new > > tea party will not be necessary to revolt against those who control > > the economy. Perhaps corporations will regain their status of non- > > anthropomorphism and no longer rule those condemned and chained to > > supporting them. Perhaps greed will leave the hearts of men everywhere > > and we will join hands and….oh, wait, ….never mind. > > > On Sep 21, 2:27 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > An anonymous pamphlet published in summer 1555 painted a terrifying > > > picture of a Protestant England in which the fabric of society had > > > been eroded, > > > '... all good order broken, the magistrates contempned, and the people > > > so farre divided that the father dread the childe, the marchaunt hys > > > prentysce, the master hys man . . . Amitie and friendship was fled the > > > realme, truth and trust was outtroden, al good maners and nurture in > > > youth exiled, the very norishe of chastetee in maydens cast of cleane, > > > so that what eche man liked and lusted, that he thought lawful...' > > > > This communistic free-for-all cannot have been what people remembered > > > of Edward’s reign. Perhaps they thought it had all happened in the > > > next parish, or just over the hill. This was what became of England in > > > rebellion against Catholicism and accepting the word of priests like > > > babes. A few Protestant worthies were put to the sword, and far more > > > innocents, in an attempt at correction. > > > > Anyone notice certain harmonies in this stuff and the reaction of > > > Obama's modest national health plans? The last line of the ancient > > > text kills me - surely it cannot be that Catholic maydens were ever > > > the epitome of chastetee, or there would never have been any practice > > > for us Proddie lads until forced to settle down to the ice cold > > > domesticity of one of our own! I can only hope that Che Obama gets on > > > with collapsing the fabric of US society by letting everyone have > > > health insurance! 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