I think we generally confuse talent in terms of originality and mimicking - there's little of the first and lots of the latter - hence pop music.
On 21 Sep, 18:03, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “…I belive it is all learnt.” – lee > > I see Lee. And, it appears to me that the notions of Sat, Daya, > Santok, Nimrata and Pyare are things that not only can be taught/ > learned, but that they can actually be found within. > > Also, if such things could not be discovered (without being taught by > other human beings), what is the function of Nam Japna? > > While both ‘wings’, Simran and Seva are necessary, is not the function > of the former to quiet and defeat aHankar? > > And, since God is everywhere, I strongly suggest that such things can > be discovered internally. > > Perhaps I lack Nimrata and I still find that Naam Japna does not > produce wisdom that “is all learnt” (from human beings). > > On Sep 21, 9:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Ahh well I don't really think that there exsits an inate morality, I > > belive it is all learnt. > > > On 21 Sep, 17:16, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “…What then do you mean?” – lee [re: morality] > > > > I use the term in many different ways lee. In my post I pointed at a > > > few…one of which is the common colloquial usage having to do with meme > > > imposed beliefs as well as that which is claimed to be revelatory. I > > > also pointed to a pragmatic type of morality, one that is used to > > > maintain survival of human life. I also suggest, as the ancients have > > > discussed ad nauseum, another and more expansive and innate ethos…more > > > of a virtue, that can be found if looked for. > > > > On Sep 21, 8:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I sense that we use the word differantly then OM. > > > > > When I say morality I mean mostly ones personal opinion of what is > > > > right and what is wrong. What then do you mean? > > > > > On 21 Sep, 16:06, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > “…Yet I can use the word capricious (sic.), I have a sense of > > > > > morality, why is > > > > > this I wonder?...” – lee > > > > > > For most, what is called a ‘sense of morality’ is but something > > > > > someone else has said is right/wrong…this or some ‘code’ that results > > > > > from personal passions/needs. When it come to a true recognition of > > > > > any specific innate ‘sense of morality’ or virtue, very few have > > > > > access to this. > > > > > > On Sep 21, 5:03 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Oh yes there are links between dyslexcia and a whole host of other > > > > > > 'skills' . It may be that my areguments are purly semantic Pat, it > > > > > > may well be that is the case. > > > > > > > Heh still on this anti free will kick huh? > > > > > > > I guess even though you make some interesting arguments for your > > > > > > case > > > > > > I'll never be able to agree with you, perhaps for the reason you > > > > > > suggest, I think though mostly because I simply cannot agree with > > > > > > what > > > > > > it means for us if you are indeed correct. > > > > > > > If you are right then I'll never agree with you, and what does that > > > > > > matter as that must be my lot in life, that is how the One has made > > > > > > me > > > > > > to be I can't even choose to submit, nor realise that I already > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > Yet you see where that leaves us? No blame nor merit can be > > > > > > attached > > > > > > to anything that we do, nothing we do matters as we have no control > > > > > > over it, there is no 'I' to make any desicion, all crimes are not > > > > > > really crimes they are just the capriciouse side of the one. > > > > > > > Yet I can use the word capriciouse, I have a sense of morality, why > > > > > > is > > > > > > this I wonder? When I have no choice at all, what use is the > > > > > > knowledge of good and evil? No sir you cannot be correct and even > > > > > > if > > > > > > you are, I'll never admit to such, now I wonder if that is my free > > > > > > choice or just the way that the One intends me to be! > > > > > > > On 21 Sep, 12:36, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 13:36, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > David Beckham in fact trained very hard and put in an imensse > > > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > > of practice kicking a ball so that it dropped exactly where he > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > it to. Of course an early interest in a subject means that you > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > the practice earlyer. > > > > > > > > > There is something in biological triats that may make the > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > of some actions easier, but this I would say is not talent, but > > > > > > > > biological advantage. > > > > > > > > As far as musical talent goes, though, have a read of this: > > > > > > > >http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/080429_music-genes.htm > > > > > > > > It seems that there's a connection between dyslexia and musical > > > > > > > aptitude. But, is the difference between 'talent' and 'biological > > > > > > > advantage' just a semantic one? Funy how we seem to have no > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > admitting to being coded, yet some still persist in thinking that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > can escape the coding of space-time itself (by the mystical power > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > 'free will'). I reckon it's a gene that prevents people from > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > the forest because of the copper in the chlorophyll in the leaves > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the trees. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 12:58, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 12:22, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well does it? > > > > > > > > > > > I say no, practice makes pefect, but what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > Practice makes perfect but, how long does it take to train a > > > > > > > > > chimpanzee to write Shakespeare? To date, the only readable > > > > > > > > > thing any > > > > > > > > > chimp has ever typed was the word 'Jamiroquai' (thus the name > > > > > > > > > for Jay > > > > > > > > > Kay's band), which is completely meaningless. I had, for a > > > > > > > > > long time, > > > > > > > > > been scared to attempt to play a guitar because, I felt, it > > > > > > > > > took so > > > > > > > > > much time to learn it. But, after having one for about 3 > > > > > > > > > weeks, I had > > > > > > > > > already developed one little ballad. But, of course, growing > > > > > > > > > up with > > > > > > > > > a father who had a degree in music and a mother 'talented > > > > > > > > > enough' to > > > > > > > > > teach herself voice and keyboards, I reckon that I'd inherited > > > > > > > > > something that made it a little easier for me to play music > > > > > > > > > than it > > > > > > > > > would have been had I not had that genetic and environmental > > > > > > > > > kickstart, as it were. If talent exists, then it is, most > > > > > > > > > likely, a > > > > > > > > > heritable trait, but there can be talents for many things. > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > example, David Beckham has a natural talent for kicking a > > > > > > > > > football > > > > > > > > > pretty accurately and, of course, that talent was noticed and > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > developed. I doubt that I would have the same skill even if > > > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > > been given the exact same 'development', as the underlying > > > > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > > > isn't as great. Which is why, when I play footy, I'm either a > > > > > > > > > defender or, preferably, a goalkeeper, as I have a 'talent' > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > getting myself in the way of others. 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