Ohh i love it when people talk all Sikhi to me. Naam Japna for those not in the loop is really repitition of the word Waheguru(translated as Wounderous Guru) a name for God, a chanting meditative practice designed to focus the mind on God. One of the points of Sikhi is to remember God as often as you can, Naam japna is tool towards this end.
That says nothing about morality though. I agree the concept of Sat or truth can be found within, but again this does not suppose an inherent morality, the first words of Mool mantar: 'Ik onkar sat naam' '1 God whos name is truth/truth' again says lots about God and the concept of absolute truth, but nowt about inherent morality. Simran like naam japna is a tool used to focus the mind on God, and again I see no link to an inherent morality. Unless of course I miss your meaning OM? Are you suggesting that this inherent morality comes from God? I guess I can agree in one way, that all things come ultimatly from God. But you know there are plenty of athiests around who's morality is sound. On 21 Sep, 18:03, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “…I belive it is all learnt.” – lee > > I see Lee. And, it appears to me that the notions of Sat, Daya, > Santok, Nimrata and Pyare are things that not only can be taught/ > learned, but that they can actually be found within. > > Also, if such things could not be discovered (without being taught by > other human beings), what is the function of Nam Japna? > > While both ‘wings’, Simran and Seva are necessary, is not the function > of the former to quiet and defeat aHankar? > > And, since God is everywhere, I strongly suggest that such things can > be discovered internally. > > Perhaps I lack Nimrata and I still find that Naam Japna does not > produce wisdom that “is all learnt” (from human beings). > > On Sep 21, 9:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Ahh well I don't really think that there exsits an inate morality, I > > belive it is all learnt. > > > On 21 Sep, 17:16, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “…What then do you mean?” – lee [re: morality] > > > > I use the term in many different ways lee. In my post I pointed at a > > > few…one of which is the common colloquial usage having to do with meme > > > imposed beliefs as well as that which is claimed to be revelatory. I > > > also pointed to a pragmatic type of morality, one that is used to > > > maintain survival of human life. I also suggest, as the ancients have > > > discussed ad nauseum, another and more expansive and innate ethos…more > > > of a virtue, that can be found if looked for. > > > > On Sep 21, 8:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I sense that we use the word differantly then OM. > > > > > When I say morality I mean mostly ones personal opinion of what is > > > > right and what is wrong. What then do you mean? > > > > > On 21 Sep, 16:06, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > “…Yet I can use the word capricious (sic.), I have a sense of > > > > > morality, why is > > > > > this I wonder?...” – lee > > > > > > For most, what is called a ‘sense of morality’ is but something > > > > > someone else has said is right/wrong…this or some ‘code’ that results > > > > > from personal passions/needs. When it come to a true recognition of > > > > > any specific innate ‘sense of morality’ or virtue, very few have > > > > > access to this. > > > > > > On Sep 21, 5:03 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Oh yes there are links between dyslexcia and a whole host of other > > > > > > 'skills' . It may be that my areguments are purly semantic Pat, it > > > > > > may well be that is the case. > > > > > > > Heh still on this anti free will kick huh? > > > > > > > I guess even though you make some interesting arguments for your > > > > > > case > > > > > > I'll never be able to agree with you, perhaps for the reason you > > > > > > suggest, I think though mostly because I simply cannot agree with > > > > > > what > > > > > > it means for us if you are indeed correct. > > > > > > > If you are right then I'll never agree with you, and what does that > > > > > > matter as that must be my lot in life, that is how the One has made > > > > > > me > > > > > > to be I can't even choose to submit, nor realise that I already > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > Yet you see where that leaves us? No blame nor merit can be > > > > > > attached > > > > > > to anything that we do, nothing we do matters as we have no control > > > > > > over it, there is no 'I' to make any desicion, all crimes are not > > > > > > really crimes they are just the capriciouse side of the one. > > > > > > > Yet I can use the word capriciouse, I have a sense of morality, why > > > > > > is > > > > > > this I wonder? When I have no choice at all, what use is the > > > > > > knowledge of good and evil? No sir you cannot be correct and even > > > > > > if > > > > > > you are, I'll never admit to such, now I wonder if that is my free > > > > > > choice or just the way that the One intends me to be! > > > > > > > On 21 Sep, 12:36, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 13:36, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > David Beckham in fact trained very hard and put in an imensse > > > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > > of practice kicking a ball so that it dropped exactly where he > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > it to. Of course an early interest in a subject means that you > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > the practice earlyer. > > > > > > > > > There is something in biological triats that may make the > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > of some actions easier, but this I would say is not talent, but > > > > > > > > biological advantage. > > > > > > > > As far as musical talent goes, though, have a read of this: > > > > > > > >http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/080429_music-genes.htm > > > > > > > > It seems that there's a connection between dyslexia and musical > > > > > > > aptitude. But, is the difference between 'talent' and 'biological > > > > > > > advantage' just a semantic one? Funy how we seem to have no > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > admitting to being coded, yet some still persist in thinking that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > can escape the coding of space-time itself (by the mystical power > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > 'free will'). I reckon it's a gene that prevents people from > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > the forest because of the copper in the chlorophyll in the leaves > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the trees. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 12:58, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep, 12:22, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well does it? > > > > > > > > > > > I say no, practice makes pefect, but what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > Practice makes perfect but, how long does it take to train a > > > > > > > > > chimpanzee to write Shakespeare? To date, the only readable > > > > > > > > > thing any > > > > > > > > > chimp has ever typed was the word 'Jamiroquai' (thus the name > > > > > > > > > for Jay > > > > > > > > > Kay's band), which is completely meaningless. I had, for a > > > > > > > > > long time, > > > > > > > > > been scared to attempt to play a guitar because, I felt, it > > > > > > > > > took so > > > > > > > > > much time to learn it. But, after having one for about 3 > > > > > > > > > weeks, I had > > > > > > > > > already developed one little ballad. But, of course, growing > > > > > > > > > up with > > > > > > > > > a father who had a degree in music and a mother 'talented > > > > > > > > > enough' to > > > > > > > > > teach herself voice and keyboards, I reckon that I'd inherited > > > > > > > > > something that made it a little easier for me to play music > > > > > > > > > than it > > > > > > > > > would have been had I not had that genetic and environmental > > > > > > > > > kickstart, as it were. If talent exists, then it is, most > > > > > > > > > likely, a > > > > > > > > > heritable trait, but there can be talents for many things. > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > example, David Beckham has a natural talent for kicking a > > > > > > > > > football > > > > > > > > > pretty accurately and, of course, that talent was noticed and > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > developed. I doubt that I would have the same skill even if > > > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > > been given the exact same 'development', as the underlying > > > > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > > > isn't as great. Which is why, when I play footy, I'm either a > > > > > > > > > defender or, preferably, a goalkeeper, as I have a 'talent' > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > getting myself in the way of others. 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