On 21 Sep, 13:03, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Oh yes there are links between dyslexcia and a whole host of other
> 'skills' . It may be that my areguments are purly semantic Pat, it
> may well be that is the case.
>
> Heh still on this anti free will kick huh?
>
> I guess even though you make some interesting arguments for your case
> I'll never be able to agree with you, perhaps for the reason you
> suggest, I think though mostly because I simply cannot agree with what
> it means for us if you are indeed correct.
>
> If you are right then I'll never agree with you, and what does that
> matter as that must be my lot in life, that is how the One has made me
> to be I can't even choose to submit, nor realise that I already have.
>
> Yet you see where that leaves us? No blame nor merit can be attached
> to anything that we do, nothing we do matters as we have no control
> over it, there is no 'I' to make any desicion, all crimes are not
> really crimes they are just the capriciouse side of the one.
>
> Yet I can use the word capriciouse, I have a sense of morality, why is
> this I wonder? When I have no choice at all, what use is the
> knowledge of good and evil? No sir you cannot be correct and even if
> you are, I'll never admit to such, now I wonder if that is my free
> choice or just the way that the One intends me to be!
>
Ahh, I love that last line: even if I am, you'll never admit to such.
That's classic!! Why do you think there's a difference between the
'way you are' and the 'way the One intends...'? There can be no
difference to the One, the difference lies in your realisations (some
of which you have already made, some of which you have not: but God
knows them ALL already). Which, as you have noted will either be made
or not. I am correct, but there's more to the story than just 'no
free will'. The inescapable illusion is good enough, in that it's
inescapable, so, as long as God has informed people how He would like
them to act, then reward and punishment are justifiable. This, of
course, means accepting that God would actually convey a moral code to
humans. Well, it just so happens that such a thing has been posited
in the past (a few times!!). And, a God that can be imagined to
reward and punish is less than a God that CAN and DOES reward and
punish, and God is 'that than which nothing greater can be', then the
whole morality thing fits in quite well.
Also, if YOU have a sense of morality, is that not proof positive that
the One does via YOU?
> On 21 Sep, 12:36, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 16 Sep, 13:36, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > David Beckham in fact trained very hard and put in an imensse amount
> > > of practice kicking a ball so that it dropped exactly where he wanted
> > > it to. Of course an early interest in a subject means that you start
> > > the practice earlyer.
>
> > > There is something in biological triats that may make the performing
> > > of some actions easier, but this I would say is not talent, but
> > > biological advantage.
>
> > As far as musical talent goes, though, have a read of this:
>
> >http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/080429_music-genes.htm
>
> > It seems that there's a connection between dyslexia and musical
> > aptitude. But, is the difference between 'talent' and 'biological
> > advantage' just a semantic one? Funy how we seem to have no problem
> > admitting to being coded, yet some still persist in thinking that we
> > can escape the coding of space-time itself (by the mystical power of
> > 'free will'). I reckon it's a gene that prevents people from seeing
> > the forest because of the copper in the chlorophyll in the leaves on
> > the trees. ;-)
>
> > > On 16 Sep, 12:58, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 16 Sep, 12:22, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Well does it?
>
> > > > > I say no, practice makes pefect, but what do you think?
>
> > > > Practice makes perfect but, how long does it take to train a
> > > > chimpanzee to write Shakespeare? To date, the only readable thing any
> > > > chimp has ever typed was the word 'Jamiroquai' (thus the name for Jay
> > > > Kay's band), which is completely meaningless. I had, for a long time,
> > > > been scared to attempt to play a guitar because, I felt, it took so
> > > > much time to learn it. But, after having one for about 3 weeks, I had
> > > > already developed one little ballad. But, of course, growing up with
> > > > a father who had a degree in music and a mother 'talented enough' to
> > > > teach herself voice and keyboards, I reckon that I'd inherited
> > > > something that made it a little easier for me to play music than it
> > > > would have been had I not had that genetic and environmental
> > > > kickstart, as it were. If talent exists, then it is, most likely, a
> > > > heritable trait, but there can be talents for many things. For
> > > > example, David Beckham has a natural talent for kicking a football
> > > > pretty accurately and, of course, that talent was noticed and further
> > > > developed. I doubt that I would have the same skill even if I had
> > > > been given the exact same 'development', as the underlying talent
> > > > isn't as great. Which is why, when I play footy, I'm either a
> > > > defender or, preferably, a goalkeeper, as I have a 'talent' for
> > > > getting myself in the way of others. This has even been evidenced in
> > > > some of the things I write. ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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