“Yeah, maybe so.  But at least mine's not flavored with cyanide!” – DJ

Nope, oil perhaps? ;-)
Regardless, it appears to even more acerbic than cyanide.


On Sep 26, 2:04 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> We
> all have drunk some flavor of Kool-Aid...and some of us know it. -orn
>
> Yeah, maybe so.  But at least mine's not flavored with cyanide!
>
> dj
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:34 AM, ornamentalmind
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > “…I think the more measured and scholarly approach to
> > solving problems that the Heritage Foundation takes makes much more
> > sense….” – DJ
>
> > Sense, perhaps…wisdom, no! Personally I find any blind use of dogmatic
> > social philosophy to be anathema, even more so than simple fantasy and/
> > or hyperbole. The latter can show clarity while the former can not. We
> > all have drunk some flavor of Kool-Aid...and some of us know it.
>
> > On Sep 26, 12:56 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Well I wouldn't go so far as to say I 'trust' them but I definitely
> >> respect them.  Like you say, they aren't shy about stating their
> >> purpose.  They have some sound opinions on the health care bill that
> >> make a lot of sense to me.  Naomi Klein, on the other hand, comes
> >> across as your typical purveyor of agitprop. I remember when she was
> >> instrumental in playing the race card after Hurricane Katrina.
> >> Writing some hogwash about Bush deliberately putting blacks at risk
> >> while saving whites after the storm. Just silly.  She has a history of
> >> fabricating truths and exaggerating evidence to support her own sick
> >> fantasies.  I think the more measured and scholarly approach to
> >> solving problems that the Heritage Foundation takes makes much more
> >> sense.
>
> >> In a completely unrelated matter; why do so many 'activists' hide(or
> >> at least obscure) their true ideologies?  People that live and breath
> >> a Marxist doctrine will look you straight in the eye and tell you they
> >> aren't a communist.  Do you think they're ignorant, stupid or are they
> >> trying to put one over on us?  Not that there is anything wrong with
> >> being a communist...  I'm just curious what some of you think of the
> >> often un-clever attempts of some journalists to muddy their political
> >> leanings.  Do they think we're all stupid or something?
>
> >> dj
>
> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:23 AM, ornamentalmind
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > Around the time of the formation of this organization (The Heritage
> >> > Foundation) I had begun to become politically and economically aware.
> >> > Quite quickly I learned to study who funded and ran such ‘think
> >> > tanks’. Their stated mission:
>
> >> > “Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a New Right think tank.
> >> > Its stated mission is to formulate and promote conservative public
> >> > policies based on the principles of "free enterprise, limited
> >> > government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a
> >> > strong national defense." It is widely considered one of the world's
> >> > most influential public policy research institutes.”
>
> >> > …sounds innocent enough, no? And, they do come right out and state
> >> > their political and economic dogma.
>
> >> >http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation
>
> >> > Further down the page, on the above link, one can find the primary
> >> > corporate funders of the foundation, big-pharma, tobacco, insurance
> >> > companies, military contractors.
>
> >> > They, along with the Cato Institute and others who manufacture
> >> > consent, are anathema to anyone other than the top 1% financially in
> >> > the US and similar people worldwide.
>
> >> > From an article by Naomi Klein a year or so ago:
>
> >> > “But, you know, I was interested that yesterday the Heritage
> >> > Foundation, which has always been a staunch Friedmanite think tank,
> >> > that they came out in favor of the bailout. They came out in favor of
> >> > the bailout; they said it was vital. And what’s interesting about that
> >> > is, of course, the bailout is creating a crisis in the economic—in the
> >> > public sphere. It’s taking a private crisis, a crisis on Wall Street,
> >> > which of course isn’t restricted to Wall Street, and it will affect
> >> > everyone, but it is moving it, moving those bad debts, onto the public
> >> > books.”
>
> >> > Her website:http://www.naomiklein.org/main
>
> >> > …some of her views on the Heritage Fondation:
> >> >http://www.naomiklein.org/search/node/the+heritage+foundation
>
> >> > The most recent ‘Research’ by the Heritage Institute:
>
> >> > September 25, 2009
> >> > Defunding ACORN: Necessary and Proper, and Certainly Constitutional
> >> > by Hans A. von Spakovsky
>
> >> >  September 25, 2009
> >> > The Baucus Individual Health Insurance Mandate: Taxing Low-Income and
> >> > Moderate-Income Workers
> >> > by Robert A. Book, Ph.D., Guinevere Nell, and Paul L. Winfree
>
> >> >  September 25, 2009
> >> > The Baucus Health Bill: A Medicare Physician Payment Shell Game
> >> > by Dennis G. Smith
>
> >> > The above is from their own site.
>
> >> > I have never trusted this organization when it comes to helping
> >> > humanity. They clearly continue to push the same old economic dogma
> >> > that produced our current situation. I guess one gets what they pay
> >> > for, no?
>
> >> > On Sep 25, 5:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> April 2005
> >> >> Top 10 Examples of Government Waste
> >> >> by Brian M. Riedl
>
> >> >> President George W. Bush has proposed terminat­ing or strongly
> >> >> reducing the budgets of over 150 inef­ficient or ineffective programs.
> >> >> This is a step in the right direction to pare back the runaway
> >> >> spending that has pushed the budget deficit over $400 billion. In less
> >> >> than three years, the first baby boomers will begin to collect Social
> >> >> Security: Lawmakers must therefore begin to reduce spending now to
> >> >> make room for the massive Social Security and Medicare costs that will
> >> >> follow.
>
> >> >> The first place to trim runaway federal spending is in waste, fraud,
> >> >> and abuse. Congress, however, has largely abandoned its constitutional
> >> >> duty of overseeing the executive branch and has steadfastly refused to
> >> >> address the waste littered across government programs. In 2003, an
> >> >> attempt by House Budget Committee Chair­man Jim Nussle (R–IA) to
> >> >> address wasteful spending was rejected by the House of
> >> >> Representatives, and sim­ilar calls in 2004 by then-Senate Budget
> >> >> Committee Chairman Don Nickles (R–OK) were rejected by the Senate. A
> >> >> small group of House lawmakers has formed the Washington Waste
> >> >> Watchers, but their agenda has not been embraced by the whole House.
>
> >> >> Lack of information is not the problem. Today, gov­ernment waste
> >> >> investigations and recommendations can be found in hundreds of
> >> >> reports, such as:
>
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       Studies published by the U.S. Government Accountability Office
> >> >> (GAO),[1]
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       The Congressional Budget Office’s Budget Options book,
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       Inspector general reports of each agency,
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       Government Performance and Results Act reports of each agency,
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       The White House’s Program Assessment Rating Tool (PART) program
> >> >> reviews, and
> >> >>     *
> >> >>       The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee’s 2001 Government at
> >> >> the Brink reports.
>
> >> >> For those seeking past recommendations that went unheeded, the 1984
> >> >> Grace Commission report on government waste and the 1993–1995
> >> >> publications of Vice President Al Gore’s National Performance Review
> >> >> can still be found.
>
> >> >> With all of this available information and in an era of tight budgets,
> >> >> why are lawmakers so resistant to reducing waste? One reason is that
> >> >> they see it as a thankless job that would go unnoticed back home. With
> >> >> Congress in session just 80 days annu­ally, reducing waste would take
> >> >> precious time away from most lawmakers’ higher priorities of increas­
> >> >> ing spending on popular programs and bringing pork-barrel projects
> >> >> home.
>
> >> >> A second reason is that some of the most waste­ful programs are also
> >> >> the most popular (e.g., Medi­care), and lawmakers fear that opponents
> >> >> would portray them as “attacking” popular programs. Consequently,
> >> >> waste and inefficiencies continue to build up, costing taxpayers more
> >> >> while providing beneficiaries with less.
>
> >> >> A real war on government waste could easily save over $100 billion
> >> >> annually without harming the legitimate operations and benefits of
> >> >> government programs. As a first step, lawmakers should address the 10
> >> >> following examples of egregious waste.
>
> >> >> 1. The Missing $25 Billion
>
> >> >> Buried in the Department of the Treasury’s 2003 Financial Report of
> >> >> the United States Government is a short section titled “Unreconciled
> >> >> Transactions Affecting the Change in Net Position,” which explains
> >> >> that these unreconciled transactions totaled $24.5 billion in 2003.[2]
>
> >> >> The unreconciled transactions are funds for which auditors cannot
> >> >> account: The government knows that $25 billion was spent by someone,
> >> >> somewhere, on something, but auditors do not know who spent it, where
> >> >> it was spent, or on what it was spent. Blaming these unreconciled
> >> >> transactions on the failure of federal agencies to report their
> >> >> expenditures adequately, the Treasury report con­cludes that locating
> >> >> the money is “a priority.”
>
> >> >> The unreconciled $25 billion could have funded the entire Department
> >> >> of Justice for an entire year.
>
> >> >> 2. Unused Flight Tickets Totaling $100 Million
>
> >> >> A recent audit revealed that between 1997 and 2003, the Defense
> >> >> Department purchased and then left unused approximately 270,000
> >> >> commercial airline tickets at a
>
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