I've seen it a few times and never found it heart wrenching. I usually spend more time wondering how stupid people are to get that hooked up with a preacher, thinking what is wrong with people. I viewed it all in a non-chalant way, completed unaffected and that may seem chilly but it's just my separation from the external at work. I don't waste much time with morons unless it's for entertainment purposes. People that do stupid things ultimately pay for their stupidity and I couldn't care less about them.
On Sep 28, 8:31 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, I saw it. Heart wrenching. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:08 AM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Did anybody watch that documentry about Rev Jim and Jamestown the > > other month? With audio recordings of the actual event at the end, > > fuck me talk about harrowing. > > > On 26 Sep, 10:04, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We > > > all have drunk some flavor of Kool-Aid...and some of us know it. -orn > > > > Yeah, maybe so. But at least mine's not flavored with cyanide! > > > > dj > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:34 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…I think the more measured and scholarly approach to > > > > solving problems that the Heritage Foundation takes makes much more > > > > sense….” – DJ > > > > > Sense, perhaps…wisdom, no! Personally I find any blind use of dogmatic > > > > social philosophy to be anathema, even more so than simple fantasy and/ > > > > or hyperbole. The latter can show clarity while the former can not. We > > > > all have drunk some flavor of Kool-Aid...and some of us know it. > > > > > On Sep 26, 12:56 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Well I wouldn't go so far as to say I 'trust' them but I definitely > > > >> respect them. Like you say, they aren't shy about stating their > > > >> purpose. They have some sound opinions on the health care bill that > > > >> make a lot of sense to me. Naomi Klein, on the other hand, comes > > > >> across as your typical purveyor of agitprop. I remember when she was > > > >> instrumental in playing the race card after Hurricane Katrina. > > > >> Writing some hogwash about Bush deliberately putting blacks at risk > > > >> while saving whites after the storm. Just silly. She has a history of > > > >> fabricating truths and exaggerating evidence to support her own sick > > > >> fantasies. I think the more measured and scholarly approach to > > > >> solving problems that the Heritage Foundation takes makes much more > > > >> sense. > > > > >> In a completely unrelated matter; why do so many 'activists' hide(or > > > >> at least obscure) their true ideologies? People that live and breath > > > >> a Marxist doctrine will look you straight in the eye and tell you they > > > >> aren't a communist. Do you think they're ignorant, stupid or are they > > > >> trying to put one over on us? Not that there is anything wrong with > > > >> being a communist... I'm just curious what some of you think of the > > > >> often un-clever attempts of some journalists to muddy their political > > > >> leanings. Do they think we're all stupid or something? > > > > >> dj > > > > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:23 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Around the time of the formation of this organization (The Heritage > > > >> > Foundation) I had begun to become politically and economically > > aware. > > > >> > Quite quickly I learned to study who funded and ran such ‘think > > > >> > tanks’. Their stated mission: > > > > >> > “Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a New Right think tank. > > > >> > Its stated mission is to formulate and promote conservative public > > > >> > policies based on the principles of "free enterprise, limited > > > >> > government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a > > > >> > strong national defense." It is widely considered one of the world's > > > >> > most influential public policy research institutes.” > > > > >> > …sounds innocent enough, no? And, they do come right out and state > > > >> > their political and economic dogma. > > > > >> >http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation > > > > >> > Further down the page, on the above link, one can find the primary > > > >> > corporate funders of the foundation, big-pharma, tobacco, insurance > > > >> > companies, military contractors. > > > > >> > They, along with the Cato Institute and others who manufacture > > > >> > consent, are anathema to anyone other than the top 1% financially in > > > >> > the US and similar people worldwide. > > > > >> > From an article by Naomi Klein a year or so ago: > > > > >> > “But, you know, I was interested that yesterday the Heritage > > > >> > Foundation, which has always been a staunch Friedmanite think tank, > > > >> > that they came out in favor of the bailout. They came out in favor > > of > > > >> > the bailout; they said it was vital. And what’s interesting about > > that > > > >> > is, of course, the bailout is creating a crisis in the economic—in > > the > > > >> > public sphere. It’s taking a private crisis, a crisis on Wall > > Street, > > > >> > which of course isn’t restricted to Wall Street, and it will affect > > > >> > everyone, but it is moving it, moving those bad debts, onto the > > public > > > >> > books.” > > > > >> > Her website:http://www.naomiklein.org/main > > > > >> > …some of her views on the Heritage Fondation: > > > >> >http://www.naomiklein.org/search/node/the+heritage+foundation > > > > >> > The most recent ‘Research’ by the Heritage Institute: > > > > >> > September 25, 2009 > > > >> > Defunding ACORN: Necessary and Proper, and Certainly Constitutional > > > >> > by Hans A. von Spakovsky > > > > >> > September 25, 2009 > > > >> > The Baucus Individual Health Insurance Mandate: Taxing Low-Income > > and > > > >> > Moderate-Income Workers > > > >> > by Robert A. Book, Ph.D., Guinevere Nell, and Paul L. Winfree > > > > >> > September 25, 2009 > > > >> > The Baucus Health Bill: A Medicare Physician Payment Shell Game > > > >> > by Dennis G. Smith > > > > >> > The above is from their own site. > > > > >> > I have never trusted this organization when it comes to helping > > > >> > humanity. They clearly continue to push the same old economic dogma > > > >> > that produced our current situation. I guess one gets what they pay > > > >> > for, no? > > > > >> > On Sep 25, 5:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> April 2005 > > > >> >> Top 10 Examples of Government Waste > > > >> >> by Brian M. Riedl > > > > >> >> President George W. Bush has proposed terminating or strongly > > > >> >> reducing the budgets of over 150 inefficient or ineffective > > programs. > > > >> >> This is a step in the right direction to pare back the runaway > > > >> >> spending that has pushed the budget deficit over $400 billion. In > > less > > > >> >> than three years, the first baby boomers will begin to collect > > Social > > > >> >> Security: Lawmakers must therefore begin to reduce spending now to > > > >> >> make room for the massive Social Security and Medicare costs that > > will > > > >> >> follow. > > > > >> >> The first place to trim runaway federal spending is in waste, > > fraud, > > > >> >> and abuse. Congress, however, has largely abandoned its > > constitutional > > > >> >> duty of overseeing the executive branch and has steadfastly refused > > to > > > >> >> address the waste littered across government programs. In 2003, an > > > >> >> attempt by House Budget Committee Chairman Jim Nussle (R–IA) to > > > >> >> address wasteful spending was rejected by the House of > > > >> >> Representatives, and similar calls in 2004 by then-Senate Budget > > > >> >> Committee Chairman Don Nickles (R–OK) were rejected by the Senate. > > A > > > >> >> small group of House lawmakers has formed the Washington Waste > > > >> >> Watchers, but their agenda has not been embraced by the whole > > House. > > > > >> >> Lack of information is not the problem. Today, government waste > > > >> >> investigations and recommendations can be found in hundreds of > > > >> >> reports, such as: > > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> Studies published by the U.S. Government Accountability > > Office > > > >> >> (GAO),[1] > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> The Congressional Budget Office’s Budget Options book, > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> Inspector general reports of each agency, > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> Government Performance and Results Act reports of each > > agency, > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> The White House’s Program Assessment Rating Tool (PART) > > program > > > >> >> reviews, and > > > >> >> * > > > >> >> The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee’s 2001 Government > > at > > > >> >> the Brink reports. > > > > >> >> For those seeking past recommendations that went unheeded, the 1984 > > > >> >> Grace Commission report on government waste and the 1993–1995 > > > >> >> publications of Vice President Al Gore’s National Performance > > Review > > > >> >> can still be found. > > > > >> >> With all of this available information and in an era of tight > > budgets, > > > >> >> why are lawmakers so resistant to reducing waste? One reason is > > that > > > >> >> they see it as a thankless job that would go unnoticed back home. > > With > > > >> >> Congress in session just 80 days annually, reducing waste would > > take > > > >> >> precious time away from most lawmakers’ higher priorities of > > increas > > > >> >> ing spending on popular programs and bringing pork-barrel projects > > > >> >> home. > > > > >> >> A second reason is that some of the most wasteful programs are > > also > > > >> >> the most popular (e.g., Medicare), and lawmakers fear that > > opponents > > > >> >> would portray them as “attacking” popular programs. Consequently, > > > >> >> waste and inefficiencies continue to build up, costing taxpayers > > more > > > >> >> while providing beneficiaries with less. > > > > >> >> A real war on government waste could easily save over $100 billion > > > >> >> annually without harming the legitimate operations and benefits of > > > >> >> government programs. As a first step, lawmakers should address the > > 10 > > > >> >> following examples of egregious waste. > > > > >> >> 1. The Missing $25 Billion > > > > >> >> Buried in the Department of the Treasury’s 2003 Financial Report of > > > >> >> the United States > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
