On 28 Sep, 15:57, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't think the Hebrews really understood much in their time except
> that it was possible to be revered by an ignorant people if you could
> read and write. This was considered scholarly at the time, just the
> ability to read and write. What I'm see though is this conception
> that your omni-all God would create these ignorant people, then,
> instead of enlightening them to true awareness of the universe chose
> instead to extend the 'word of God' in a basic form so that the
> ignorant people could understand it? I'll be waiting to see you at the
> head of some pulpit Pat, you have a way. lol
> Okay, so now your saying that 'every word' is the word of God, as in
> everyones words?
>
There is only One. That One is God. We are that One. We are not
the totality of that one, but, we ARE that One. In order to
understand why God would create people such that they had the capacity
to learn over time seems incredibly wise, to me. As enlightenment
comes over time (and time is only an issue for those trapped within
it), it's the only way to do it. As I recall, it was a part of the
Torah itself that said there would be someone, later, who would
interpret it in its fullest way possible. And I'm pretty sure that's
not me, but, hopefully, I can make his job easier. ;-)
> On Sep 28, 9:39 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 28 Sep, 15:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > From a God's eye view, all of Creation occurs at once, as time (all
> > > of time) is just one of His dimensions. To US, it may appear in
> > > stages, but to Him, all simply just IS. So, I'm afraid that argument
> > > falls into a heap. Nice try (to make me look ignorant), but it'll
> > > never fly. ;-) >>Pat
>
> > > So then Pat, with this comment I can determine that the bible is not
> > > really the 'word of God' for Genesis clearly states that creation took
> > > place over a time period and not all at once. Genesis would then have
> > > to be modified to reflect God's eye view. Just another of the many
> > > discrepancies and contradictions.
>
> > How many Hebrews would have understood String Theory and/or higher
> > dimensional mathematics? Any revelation has an intended audience and
> > that audience had a certain understanding that had to be addressed;
> > otherwise, it would have been too 'deep' for the masses to
> > comprehend. In truth, every word that is written is the word of God,
> > whether or NOT the supposed 'author' realises it or not. ;-)
>
> > > On Sep 28, 9:11 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 28 Sep, 14:27, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > " So, when YOU are aware of something, God is aware of it through you
> > > > > (thus, I like to refer to us as 'neurons in the mind of God'). But,
> > > > > God also has the awareness of ALL living things and it is through that
> > > > > 'combined and total awareness' that affords Him the attribute of
> > > > > omniscience."
>
> > > > > Pat, so God was not omniscient ( in fact, had no awareness ) before
> > > > > life began on earth, whenever it did ! ? Because, all these " neurons
> > > > > " he now has were just not there then ! !
>
> > > > From a God's eye view, all of Creation occurs at once, as time (all
> > > > of time) is just one of His dimensions. To US, it may appear in
> > > > stages, but to Him, all simply just IS. So, I'm afraid that argument
> > > > falls into a heap. Nice try (to make me look ignorant), but it'll
> > > > never fly. ;-)
>
> > > > > On Sep 28, 5:02 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 25 Sep, 18:21, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I get confused easily, long dissertations tend to leave me
> > > > > > > lost.. my
> > > > > > > questions are what do you see you personal relationship it God
> > > > > > > as? and that
> > > > > > > is probably not stating it right. What do you see the purpose of
> > > > > > > God's
> > > > > > > interaction with mankind?
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > Sorry about that, but, to be fair to the question, it calls for
> > > > > > another long dissertation. ;-)
>
> > > > > > There are many levels to the answer. On one level, God's 'purpose'
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > simply to explore 'that which is possible for energy to do' and that
> > > > > > is completely impersonal. Of course, one of those possibilities is
> > > > > > that energy can be conformed in such a way as to demonstrate
> > > > > > awareness. Those 'things' that demonstrate awareness, we tend to
> > > > > > call
> > > > > > 'living' or 'alive'. Man is just one example of the many living
> > > > > > things that exist. But, given that I define God as 'an entity that
> > > > > > comprises all the energy there is (was or ever will be) and of which
> > > > > > there is only one', this leads to a very personal and a very
> > > > > > impersonal relationship. Given that loose definition, it can be
> > > > > > derived that all things are parts of God. Those things that are
> > > > > > aware
> > > > > > (living things) derive their awareness from God, as there is no
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > thing from which it COULD derive. God has configured Himself in
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > a way as to unfold this universe of which we are part. So, our
> > > > > > relationship to Him is one-to-one, that is, we ARE that God. Our
> > > > > > awareness (we humans prefer to think of our awareness as
> > > > > > 'consciousness', perhaps, so that we can proudly raise ourselves
> > > > > > above
> > > > > > other creatures who are aware but that we have difficulty
> > > > > > communicating with) is just one 'portion' of God's overall
> > > > > > awareness.
> > > > > > So, when YOU are aware of something, God is aware of it through you
> > > > > > (thus, I like to refer to us as 'neurons in the mind of God'). But,
> > > > > > God also has the awareness of ALL living things and it is through
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > 'combined and total awareness' that affords Him the attribute of
> > > > > > omniscience.
> > > > > > On another level, God, being the only entity which truly exists, as
> > > > > > He
> > > > > > is the total of all energy, His presence (energy) completely
> > > > > > permeates
> > > > > > us, as there is no part of us that is not some form of energy. In
> > > > > > THIS regard, He maintains an immanent omnipresence throughout all of
> > > > > > space-time. But, at the same time (bad word, but the language
> > > > > > affords
> > > > > > me no alternative), His energy extends into the Calabi-Yau space,
> > > > > > which is outside of our space-time (thus, outside of time and, thus,
> > > > > > the problem with my earlier statement) and, in THIS respect,
> > > > > > maintains
> > > > > > a transcendant (in that some of the energy that is God is outside of
> > > > > > our space-time continuum and, thus, eternal) omnipresence.
> > > > > > So, our relationship to God is that we are comprised of the 'stuff'
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > God', energy, and that, because of that, there is no real difference
> > > > > > between us and God (we would not exist if it were not for Him and He
> > > > > > cannot exist without us, as is evidenced by our presence in the
> > > > > > continuum). On a consciousness level, our consciousness is but one
> > > > > > slice (or portion) of God's total awareness.
> > > > > > Now, there are several things that 'one' cannot do. The simplest
> > > > > > example is 'to relate to another'. But, God is clever enough to have
> > > > > > figured out a way to configure Himself in such a way as to allow Him
> > > > > > to interact with Himself without the interacting parts realising (in
> > > > > > most cases!) what they are actually doing. SO, One of God's purposes
> > > > > > seems to be to understand what 'unity' is. And He does that by
> > > > > > creating, of Himself, an universe that can evolve such that living
> > > > > > things arise and interact. When you have a certain amount of
> > > > > > intelligence, though, as humans seem to do, the possibility of
> > > > > > realising that 'All is God' is a potential. The One God can 'learn'
> > > > > > about unity through our (human and/or any other equally or more
> > > > > > intelligent creature) recognition of Him and our realisation of our
> > > > > > relationship TO Him. In this way, God, who is One without unity,
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > learn about unity because He has configured Himself in such a way as
> > > > > > to seem diverse and diverse things CAN unite.
> > > > > > So, when humans realise our intimate relationship with God, we help
> > > > > > Him, a One without unity, to understand unity through our diversity.
> > > > > > And, if ALL of humanity realised this, there would be no more wars
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > fighting or murder or stealing, etc., as we would understand that,
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > fact, we are all one entity and any harm we do, we do to ourselves.
> > > > > > We, ourselves, are made in this likeness of God in that, whilst we
> > > > > > tend to view ourselves as one entity, we are, in fact, a
> > > > > > conglomerate
> > > > > > of individual cells that work in an organised fashion as one. Each
> > > > > > cell is completely separate and interacts with only a few others
> > > > > > around it, and none of them are 'aware' of the One of which they
> > > > > > are a
> > > > > > portion. It is in this regard that we are in God's likeness and
> > > > > > image.
>
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Pat
> > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 25 Sep, 06:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel
> > > > > > > > > myself that
> > > > > > > > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about
> > > > > > > > > it, and I
> > > > > > > > > am glad that you are doing something about it. <<MF
>
> > > > > > > > > Not sure we are getting close to moving in that direction
> > > > > > > > > except in
> > > > > > > > > small circles.
> > > > > > > > > We may be losing the ability to reconcile in the world.
> > > > > > > > > We've
> > > > > > > > > slipped far from the understanding of brotherhood, of
> > > > > > > > > forgiveness and
> > > > > > > > > we've
> > > > > > > > > simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the
> > > > > > > > > world. The
> > > > > > > > > mindset of terrorism that is anchored in the inability to
> > > > > > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > > forgiveness to override anger and instead caters to hatred,
> > > > > > > > > anger and
> > > > > > > > > violence
> > > > > > > > > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the
> > > > > > > > > harm
> > > > > > > > > imposed upon the innocent bystanders.
> > > > > > > > > Aside from that our culture seems
>
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