Puh, Molly, if reconnecting is what you are after, think again. A breast-feeding mother feels in a very unphilosophical manner if her baby could be hungry now.
On 28 Sep., 16:22, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that is Whitehead's point, the emotions are grounded in the > body experience. In the case of the hungry infant, both are possible, > in Whitehead's view. > > On Sep 28, 10:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well I know the feeling when he died ,, well good riddance to another > > weirdo. He and his life has little bearing on mine, just a person of little > > interest and if that is indifference,, then lit it be.. > > > imo the baby crying is a food mantra.. and boy does it work in the greatest > > majority of cases > > Allan > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM, [email protected] < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > My wfie woke me up just to let me know that he had died, i muttered > > > good and then rolled over and went back to sleep. > > > > Is indifferance an emotion, I wonder, or is such indifferance caused > > > by other emotions I wonder? > > > > On 28 Sep, 14:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not talking about lust or love but of emotional depletion. Again it's > > > > subjective and I could not possibly comment on your personal emotional > > > > levels nor that of any other so the generalization is apropos. Most > > > > of what you've commented on so far has been from a personal > > > > perspective. So what you are saying is that it is impossible that > > > > someone could be void of a certain emotion, that emotions are to a > > > > degree involuntary. When Jackson died did everyone on the planet > > > > break down in tears or were there some who just shrugged the 'oh well' > > > > expression? > > > > > On Sep 28, 6:29 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Slip, to me, it appears that you are more talking about lust than > > > > > love. And, even ‘romantic love’ is a confused term and a misnomer as I > > > > > see it. So, I think we are not meeting on common ground. By the way, I > > > > > am not saying that people are not knotted up and in a confused state > > > > > with their feelings and appetites, thus feeling stuff like you imply. > > > > > I just do not equate such quagmires with the term ‘love’. > > > > > > Your hypothetical about my skepticism, while possible, more likely > > > > > would not only not happen but from the start I would know ‘who I was > > > > > with’ and there would be no confusion about a relationship and > > > > > associated feelings. > > > > > > When I contemplate the term ‘love’, I am considering seeing the > > > > > ‘equal’…and, such a state can also exist in the heart omnipresently > > > > > too. So, perhaps our currissue is a sea semantic misapprehension. > > > > > > So, to me, IF what, for lack of a more accurate term, ‘real’ love is > > > > > no longer felt, I do consider the person impaired, no matter their > > > > > history. In fact, IF one had defended against it, based on historical > > > > > experiences, this is exactly the malady. > > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:31 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Before you decide to jump in? I thought you jumped in already :-) > > > > > > > I said earlier that emotions are subjective. > > > > > > > Yes, given enough people all of the above can be found, I think that > > > > > > would be understood. > > > > > > > A person who does not allow? Never said that a person doesn't allow > > > > > > the emotion. I said that the person just doesn't feel it anymore. > > > > > > Your crossing wires with someone who for whatever reason, possibly > > > > > > hurt feelings, will shun love and someone who has had numerous love > > > > > > relationships that either failed, disintegrated or ended by some > > > > > > tragedy. This does not render the person impaired because the > > > > > > emotion just isn't there anymore. I'm sure that if you met a woman > > > > > > that was married 13 times, who claimed she was madly in love with > > > you, > > > > > > there would be some skepticism on your part as to whether she was > > > > > > feeling the emotion. A person who does not allow certainly has some > > > > > > issues. > > > > > > Love, aside from having many facets, is a very complex emotion. We > > > > > > really shouldn't confine it to romantic love for the sake of my > > > > > > assertion. One could love a certain food for years but one day just > > > > > > doesn't have the taste for it anymore. I'm sure there are other > > > > > > examples, be creative Orn. > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 11:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > “… If you aplying that that that experience renders a person > > > unhealthy > > > > > > > I would have to disagree.” – SD > > > > > > > > Well, I wasn’t exactly implying stuff, just asking what your > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > view is before Ide tide to jump in. Sadly, what you mean to say > > > > > > > remains mostly opaque to me. So, as I put my toe in and make some > > > > > > > statements and questions, let’s both realize that I’m not sure of > > > what > > > > > > > you are meaning to say. > > > > > > > > IF your above ‘that experience’ equates to not feeling love, then > > > yes, > > > > > > > I would say such a state IS unhealthy. However, here the obvious > > > issue > > > > > > > is that precious few people hold the same ideas about what love > > > means! > > > > > > > So…we have at least a double whammy here Slip. > > > > > > > > Some of the words that for me, when taken all together, produce > > > muddy > > > > > > > water in your last post include: “somewhat dormant”, “in essence > > > > > > > nonexistent”, “void of certain emotions”, “rarely evident”, “tune > > > it > > > > > > > out”, “don’t feel it anymore”, “nonexistent”. Yes, I know, it IS a > > > > > > > complex situation and few of the above listed notions convey the > > > same > > > > > > > meaning, at least not to me. Perhaps you are implying that given > > > > > > > enough different people, all of the above can be found? > > > > > > > > Anyway, assuming some level of understanding here, upon what basis > > > do > > > > > > > you continue to assert that a person who does not allow > > > > > > > him/herself > > > to > > > > > > > feel love is in fact healthy rather than impaired? > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 6:50 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Your close but you added 'full' which changes the implication. > > > I'm > > > > > > > > suggesting that there are specific emotions that, when > > > experienced > > > > > > > > over a course of time, can become somewhat dormant and in > > > > > > > > essence > > > non > > > > > > > > existent. I know that personally I may be void of certain > > > emotions or > > > > > > > > at least they are rarely evident. I think that after so many > > > > > > > > experiences with a certain emotion people can simply tune in > > > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > which is very common with love. After getting burned enough > > > times, > > > > > > > > people just don't feel it anymore. Many people just go through > > > the > > > > > > > > motions for the obvious benefits but the emotion is non > > > > > > > > existent. > > > If > > > > > > > > you are implying that that experience renders a person unhealthy > > > I > > > > > > > > would have to disagree. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 8:26 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "... We react differently to the same stimuli at different > > > levf > > > > > > > > > > > maturity so emotions can change in time and in some cases > > > become non > > > > > > > > > existent." - SD > > > > > > > > > > Slip, are you implying that it is possible for a healthy human > > > to > > > > > > > > > achieve full lack of emotions? > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 5:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I need some Kleenex, sniff sniff. lol > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, emotions are responsive to external stimuli and a > > > result of > > > > > > > > > > the perception of that stimuli. Fs rthis reason different > > > people > > > > > > > > > > react differently to similar stimuli. Not all people are > > > brought to > > > > > > > > > > tears by what is perceived by some as a very sad event, > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > emotions can be subjective. Emotions can be a release of > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > > > senses and play a role in growth. We react differently to > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > stimuli at different levels of maturity so emotions can > > > change in time > > > > > > > > > > and in some cases become non existent. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 11:13 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives? How > > > does emotion > > > > > > > > > > > affect our experience and being? These are questions > > > addressed by > > > > > > > > > > > some of the finest minds of our era. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action > > > emanating from > > > > > > > > > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations emitted > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a > > > universe comprised > > > > > > > > > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to initiate > > > a series of > > > > > > > > > > > mechanistic interactions between objects. Piaget reduces > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation of > > > these causal > > > > > > > > > > > relations. His abstract concept of emotion as force > > > fails to > > > > > > > > > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, > > > > > > > > > > > emotions, > > > and higher > > > > > > > > > > > forms of consciousness in human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human > > > nature which go > > > > > > > > > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our > > > apprehension of > > > > > > > > > > > these permanent features of order in the world. His > > > concrete concept > > > > > > > > > > > of emotion gives insight into the > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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