This is a truly mighy point of view as long as the one who professes it has a lot more clout than the person
he is committed to butchering. -----Original Message----- From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 5:28 pm Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: my favourite ignobles es, Chris, thanks for the additions. Che was a great man! However, when I Googled your 2nd quotation of his, the entire first age related to it was nothing but rabid radical righties ranting. To person, their views were such that I am sure not even you would ccept most of ‘em without applying fallacies to almost everything osted therein. You left out a few from what I can only guess were your above entioned sources: “I have no house, wife, children, parents, or brothers; my friends are riends as long as they think like me, politically.” "Executions? Certainly we execute! And we will CONTINUE executing as ong as it is necessary! This is a war to the DEATH against the evolution's enemies!" Che Guevara while addressing the UN General ssembly on December 9, 1964. (I include the following one because I thought the last sentence was mportant.) Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks he boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier n an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without ate cannot triumph against the adversary." "Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaug htering any nemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the crid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I repare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant roletariat with a bestial howl!" Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, hich pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him nto an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing achine. This is what our soldiers must become … " Che Guevara he apparent divergence of content of Che quotes helps support that ctuality of revolution (internal and external), dialectics and its ethodology. Also, when the specific source of such quotes and ttitudes is researched, less ignorance and confusion about the issue s the result. See: http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=105 Of course those who finance the organization should be observed too: http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=108 The one PhD from Georgia, Dr. Douglas Young, surprised me because he ent on even more of a rant than I often do! If one wants to chat with im, he can be reached at: 678-717-3872 [email protected] http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm ttp://www.zoominfo.com/people/Young_Douglas_100297548.aspx Oh, here is one more, from the book “Exposing the Real Che Guevara and he useful idiots who idolize him” – Humberto Fontova A real neutral title, no? ;-)] It and others on the web differ a ittle from the example you posted Chris , but not much. “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is nnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This s a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing achine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The all! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara However, such cherry picking is just that. Here are some new quotes from the 2004 movie ‘The Motorcycle Diaries Diarios de motocicleta]’. I find many of them to be quite lluminating. ~ This isn’t a tale of heroics, nor is it merely some kind of ‘cynical ccount’; it isn’t meant to be, at least. It’s a chunk of two lives unning parallel for a while, with common aspirations and similar reams.~ ~ We look like outlaws inspiring admiration everywhere we go. We’ve eft civilization behind and we are much closer to the land.~ ~ A revolution without guns? It would never work.~ ~ The deeper we go into the Andes the more indigenous people we ncounter, who are homeless in their own land. All across our own and.~ ~ What we had in common - our restlessness, our impassioned spirits, nd a love for the open road.~ ~ How is it possible to feel nostalgia for a world I never knew?~ ~ You gotta fight for every breath and tell death to go to hell.~ ~ Are you talking to the motorcycle again?~ ~ What do we leave behind when we cross each frontier? Each moment eems split in two; melancholy for what was left behind and the xcitement of ente ring a new land.~ Even though we are too insignificant to be spokesmen for such a oble cause, we believe, and this journey has only confirmed this elief, that the division of American into unstable and illusory ations is a complete fiction. We are one single mestizo race from exico to the Magellan Straits. And so, in an attempt to free urselves from narrow minded provincialism, I propose a toast to Peru nd to a united America.~ ~ Wandering around our America has changed me more than I thought. I m not me any more. At least I'm not the same me I was.~ ~ Me, I'm not the same me, at least not the same spiritual me.~ ~ "I knew that when the great guiding spirit cleaves humanity into two ntagonistic halves, I will be with the people" ~ Ernesto 'Ché' uevara~ ~ "What do we leave behind when we cross each frontier? Each moment eems split in two; melancholy for what was left behind and the xcitement of entering a new land" ~ Ernesto 'Ché' Guevara~ ~ "All of them, all those who can’t adapt – you and I, for instance – ill die cursing the power which they helped bring about with often normous sacrifices. Revolution is impersonal, so it will take their ives and even use their memory as an example or as an instrument to ontrol the young people coming after them…you will die with your fist lenched and your jaw tense, the perfect manifestation of hatred and truggle, because you aren’t a symbol (some inanimate example), you re an authentic member of t he society to be destroyed; the spirit of he beehive speaks through your mouth and moves through your actions. ou are as useful as I am, but you don’t realize how useful your ontribution is to the society that sacrifices you."~ Movie trailer: http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2956657433/ On Sep 28, 11:53 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: Yep, ol Che is quite quotable... "Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines." "*To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail.* This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." "The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portugese.... the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead." "If the missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must gain the ultimate victory. We=2 0must walk the path of liberation even if it costs millions of atomic victims." On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > Che Guevara quotes: > Silence is argument carried out by other means. – Ernesto Che Guevara > The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to > make it fall. – Ernesto Che Guevara > I don’t care if I fail as long as someone else picks up my gun and > keeps shooting. – Ernesto Che Guevara > Random > We cannot be sure of having something to live for unless we are > willing to die for it.- Ernesto Che Guevara > Hasta la victoria siempè! (Until victory always -- Struggle until > victory forever!) - Ernesto Che Guevara > If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade > of mine. - Ernesto Che Guevara > Words that do not match deeds are unimportant. - Ernesto Che Guevara > Cruel leaders are replaced only to have new leaders turn cruel! - > Ernesto Che Guevara > I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to > kill a man. - Ernesto Che Guevara (just before he was shot and > murdered) > Revolutionary > At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true > revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible > to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality. - Ernesto > Che Guev ara > Our every action is a battle cry against imperialism, and a battle > hymn for the people's unity against the great enemy of mankind: the > United States of America. Wherever death may surprise us, let it be > welcome, provided that this, our battle cry, may have reached some > receptive ear, that another hand may be extended to wield our weapons, > and that other men be ready to intone our funeral dirge with the > staccato singing of the machine guns and new battle cries of war and > victory. - Ernesto Che Guevara > We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: > to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is > necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment > outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he > may be, make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > Why does the guerrilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable > conclusion that the guerrilla fighter is a social reformer, that he > takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against > their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social > system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > The guerrilla fighter needs full help from the people of the area. > This is an indispensable condition. . - Ernesto Che Guevara > P hilosophical > I am not interested in dry economic socialism. We are fighting against > misery, but we are also fighting against alienation. One of the > fundamental objectives of Marxism is to remove interest, the factor of > individual interest, and gain, from people's psychological > motivations. Marx was preoccupied both with economic factors and with > their repercussions on the spirit. If communism isn't interested in > this too, it may be a method of distributing goods, but it will never > be a revolutionary way of life. - Ernesto Che Guevara > The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a > Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a > fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it > is not always possible to make the people in general see this. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > The monopoly capitalists - even while employing purely empirical > methods - weave around art a complicated web which converts it into a > willing tool. The superstructure of society ordains the type of art in > which the artist has to be educated. Rebels are subdued by its > machinery and only rare talents may create their own work. The rest > become shameless hacks or are crushed. - Ernesto Che Guevara > I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate > themselves. - Ernesto Che Guevara > Where a government has come into power through some form of popular > vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of > constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, > since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been > exhausted. - Ernesto Che Guevara > We are doing everything possible to give labor this new status of > social duty and to link it on the one side with the development of a > technology which will create the conditions for greater freedom, and > on the other side with voluntary work based on a Marxist appreciation > of the fact that man truly reaches a full human condition when he > produces without being driven by the physical need to sell his labor > as a commodity. Man still needs to undergo a complete spiritual > rebirth in his attitude towards his work, freed from the direct > pressure of his social environment, though linked to it by his new > habits. That will be communism. - Ernesto Che Guevara > There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of > the abolition of the exploitation of man by man. - Ernesto Che > Guevara > Internationalism > To die under the flag of Vietnam, of Venezuela, of Guatemala, of Laos, > of Guinea, of Colombia, of Bolivia, of Brazil-to name only a few > scenes of today's armed struggle-would be equally glorious and > desirable for an American, an Asian, an African, even a European. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > Each spilt drop of blood, in any country under whose flag one has not > been born, is an experience passed on to those who survive, to be > added later to the liberation struggle of his own country. And each > nation liberated is a phase won in the battle for the liberation of > one's own country. - Ernesto Che Guevara > There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be > indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by > any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's > defeat is a defeat for all of us. - Ernesto Che Guevara > Each time a country is freed, we say, it is a defeat for the world > imperialist system, but we must agree that real liberation or breaking > away from the imperialist system is not achieved by the mere act of > proclaiming independence or winning an armed victory in a revolution. > Freedom is achieved when imperialist economic domination over a people > is brought to an end. - Ernesto Che Guevara > The socialist countries have the moral duty of liquidating their tacit > complicity with the exploiting countries of the West. - Ernesto Che > Guevara > Arms cannot be regarded as merchandise in our world. They should be > delivered to the peoples asking for them for use against the common > enemy without any charge at all, and in quantities determined by the > need and their availability. - Ernesto Che Guevara > United Nations > We=2 0should like to see this Assembly (UN) shake itself out of > complacency and move forward. We should like to see the committees > begin their work and not stop at the first confrontation. Imperialism > wishes to convert this meeting into a pointless oratorical tournament, > instead of solving the grave problems of the world. We must prevent > their doing so. This Assembly should not be remembered in the future > only by the number 19, which identifies it. Our efforts are directed > to prevent that. - Ernesto Che Guevara > Under the discredited flag of the United Nations, dozens of countries > under the military leadership of the United States participated in > this war with the massive intervention of U.S. soldiers and the use, > as cannon fodder, of the South Korean population that was enrolled. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > Imperialism and Neo-colonialism > Imperialism has been defeated in many partial battles. But it remains > a considerable force in the world, and we cannot expect its final > defeat save through effort and sacrifice on the part of all of us. - > Ernesto Che Guevara > As long as imperialism exists, it will, by definition, exert its > domination over other countries. Today that domination is called > neocolonialism. - Ernesto Che Guevara > The slogan "We will not allow another Cuba" hides the possibility of > perpetrating aggressions without fear of reprisal, such as the one > carried out against the Domi nican Republic or before that the massacre > in Panama-and the clear warning stating ... read more »- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ ou received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Minds Eye"" group. o post to this group, send email to [email protected] o unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] or more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en ~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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