You see, Orn, we administer much stronger insistence on explanation on each other than on the glib heroes of the past.
On 29 Sep, 07:34, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...I tend to trust the revolutionary who is in it > for a pair of shoes and to send money home to his mother." - archy > > What is the change being administered here? > > On Sep 28, 5:09 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We need a revolution, but it's long been the case that we've known one > > cruelty is not made better by its replacement by another. Much that > > Che said was also said by right wing bastards in Chile and terror of > > any kind hardly withers away. I have come to feel that spreadsheets > > fundamentally guide our leaderships and that we need these opened-up > > to have a revolution in terms of understanding how decisions are made > > and who can make them. This would be too boring for Che, as would the > > whole notion of getting rid of leaders in order that we can lead > > ourselves. Che at least managed to die himself, something many who > > suggest we all commit ourselves to death for glorious posterity > > usually fail to do. I tend to trust the revolutionary who is in it > > for a pair of shoes and to send money home to his mother. > > > On 29 Sep, 00:37, [email protected] wrote: > > > > This is a truly mighy point of view as long as the one who professes it > > > has a lot more clout than the person > > > > he is committed to butchering. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 5:28 pm > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: my favourite ignobles > > > > es, Chris, thanks for the additions. Che was a great man! > > > However, when I Googled your 2nd quotation of his, the entire first > > > age related to it was nothing but rabid radical righties ranting. To > > > person, their views were such that I am sure not even you would > > > ccept most of ‘em without applying fallacies to almost everything > > > osted therein. > > > You left out a few from what I can only guess were your above > > > entioned sources: > > > “I have no house, wife, children, parents, or brothers; my friends are > > > riends as long as they think like me, politically.” > > > "Executions? Certainly we execute! And we will CONTINUE executing as > > > ong as it is necessary! This is a war to the DEATH against the > > > evolution's enemies!" Che Guevara while addressing the UN General > > > ssembly on December 9, 1964. > > > (I include the following one because I thought the last sentence was > > > mportant.) > > > Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks > > > he boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier > > > n an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without > > > ate cannot triumph against the adversary." > > > "Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaug > > > htering any > > > nemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the > > > crid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I > > > repare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant > > > roletariat with a bestial howl!" > > > > Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, > > > hich pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him > > > nto an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing > > > achine. This is what our soldiers must become … " Che Guevara > > > > he apparent divergence of content of Che quotes helps support that > > > ctuality of revolution (internal and external), dialectics and its > > > ethodology. Also, when the specific source of such quotes and > > > ttitudes is researched, less ignorance and confusion about the issue > > > s the result. > > > See:http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id... > > > Of course those who finance the organization should be observed > > > too:http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id... > > > The one PhD from Georgia, Dr. Douglas Young, surprised me because he > > > ent on even more of a rant than I often do! If one wants to chat with > > > im, he can be reached at: > > > 678-717-3872 > > > [email protected]http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm > > > ttp://www.zoominfo.com/people/Young_Douglas_100297548.aspx > > > Oh, here is one more, from the book “Exposing the Real Che Guevara and > > > he useful idiots who idolize him” – Humberto Fontova > > > A real neutral title, no? ;-)] It and others on the web differ a > > > ittle from the example you posted Chris > > > , but not much. > > > “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is > > > nnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This > > > s a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing > > > achine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The > > > all! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara > > > However, such cherry picking is just that. > > > Here are some new quotes from the 2004 movie ‘The Motorcycle Diaries > > > Diarios de motocicleta]’. I find many of them to be quite > > > lluminating. > > > > ~ This isn’t a tale of heroics, nor is it merely some kind of ‘cynical > > > ccount’; it isn’t meant to be, at least. It’s a chunk of two lives > > > unning parallel for a while, with common aspirations and similar > > > reams.~ > > > ~ We look like outlaws inspiring admiration everywhere we go. We’ve > > > eft civilization behind and we are much closer to the land.~ > > > ~ A revolution without guns? It would never work.~ > > > ~ The deeper we go into the Andes the more indigenous people we > > > ncounter, who are homeless in their own land. All across our own > > > and.~ > > > ~ What we had in common - our restlessness, our impassioned spirits, > > > nd a love for the open road.~ > > > ~ How is it possible to feel nostalgia for a world I never knew?~ > > > ~ You gotta fight for every breath and tell death to go to hell.~ > > > ~ Are you talking to the motorcycle again?~ > > > ~ What do we leave behind when we cross each frontier? Each moment > > > eems split in two; melancholy for what was left behind and the > > > xcitement of ente > > > ring a new land.~ > > > Even though we are too insignificant to be spokesmen for such a > > > oble cause, we believe, and this journey has only confirmed this > > > elief, that the division of American into unstable and illusory > > > ations is a complete fiction. We are one single mestizo race from > > > exico to the Magellan Straits. And so, in an attempt to free > > > urselves from narrow minded provincialism, I propose a toast to Peru > > > nd to a united America.~ > > > ~ Wandering around our America has changed me more than I thought. I > > > m not me any more. At least I'm not the same me I was.~ > > > ~ Me, I'm not the same me, at least not the same spiritual me.~ > > > ~ "I knew that when the great guiding spirit cleaves humanity into two > > > ntagonistic halves, I will be with the people" ~ Ernesto 'Ché' > > > uevara~ > > > ~ "What do we leave behind when we cross each frontier? Each moment > > > eems split in two; melancholy for what was left behind and the > > > xcitement of entering a new land" ~ Ernesto 'Ché' Guevara~ > > > ~ "All of them, all those who can’t adapt – you and I, for instance – > > > ill die cursing the power which they helped bring about with often > > > normous sacrifices. Revolution is impersonal, so it will take their > > > ives and even use their memory as an example or as an instrument to > > > ontrol the young people coming after them…you will die with your fist > > > lenched and your jaw tense, the perfect manifestation of hatred and > > > truggle, because you aren’t a symbol (some inanimate example), you > > > re an authentic member of t > > > he society to be destroyed; the spirit of > > > he beehive speaks through your mouth and moves through your actions. > > > ou are as useful as I am, but you don’t realize how useful your > > > ontribution is to the society that sacrifices you."~ > > > Movie trailer:http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2956657433/ > > > On Sep 28, 11:53 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yep, ol Che is quite quotable... > > > "Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that > > > impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms > > > us > > > into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines." > > > > "*To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These > > > procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail.* This is a revolution! And a > > > revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." > > > > "The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have > > > conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have > > > seen > > > their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portugese.... the > > > black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and > > > drink; > > > the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows > > > him > > > to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead." > > > > "If the missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very > > > heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful > > > coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must > > > gain > > > the ultimate victory. We=2 > > > 0must walk the path of liberation even if it costs > > > millions of atomic victims." > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Che Guevara quotes: > > > > > Silence is argument carried out by other means. – Ernesto Che Guevara > > > > > The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to > > > > make it fall. – Ernesto Che Guevara > > > > > I don’t care if I fail as long as someone else picks up my gun and > > > > keeps shooting. – Ernesto Che Guevara > > > > > Random > > > > > We cannot be sure of having something to live for unless we are > > > > willing to die for > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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