Your faith is strong and unwavering. Believers believe and non-believers don't.
On Sep 30, 8:03 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > "Why would a "Almighty God", a all powerful "Creator", of the Universe > and all life have to communicate through ignorant human beings, in the > form of 66 books combined into one, become a human to be tortured and > killed for the sake of humanity.........?" SD > > Carl Jung answered this to my satisfaction with his idea of the > collective unconscious. He proposed that the world was ready for such > an example, so Christ became manifest into Jesus through the workings > of the collective unconsciousness. He gives us this idea in his > "Answer to Job," which is my favorite of all his work. > > Rudolph Steiner takes this idea of a collective unconscious and works > it into the soul of humanity, but also gives us a nice model, I think, > of how our collective, subtle natures manifest into our collective > experience. > > On Sep 29, 10:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We each can derive whatever we can from any and all the passages but > > in the context of it all being the word of an omni-all being is simply > > imaginary. > > > I reiterate in portion from post 6: > > Why would a "Almighty God", a all powerful "Creator", of the Universe > > and all life have to communicate through ignorant human beings, in the > > form of 66 books combined into one, become a human to be tortured and > > killed for the sake of humanity.........? > > > So you see how it was man that came up with these concepts of creation > > and divinity. > > > Would the inventor of cell phone technology use Morse code to > > communicate a message? When the telephone was invented did they tell > > people to use homing pigeons? > > Why would I want to waste a minute of my time paying serious attention > > to the concepts of an archaic culture void of any scientific > > knowledge? > > > Take this biblical passage for example: > > "Then Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven; and The Lord sent > > thunder and hail, and fire ran down to the earth. And The Lord rained > > hail upon the land of Egypt; there was hail, and fire flashing > > continually in the midst of the hail, very heavy hail, such as had > > never been in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation. The hail > > struck down everything that was in the "field" throughout all the land > > of Egypt, both man and beast; and the hail struck down every plant of > > the field, and shattered every tree of the field. Only in The Land Of > > Goshen, where the people of Israel were, there was no hail." (Exodus > > 9:23-26) > > > Considering that is was not just a story but an actual event..... > > Obviously there was a 'isolated' storm, the lightning struck the > > "field" and sparked a fire while the hail pummeled the earth amidst > > the lightning a thunder. You can imagine what a superstitious culture > > would have thought about all that, 'such as had never been in all the > > land of Egypt...', it must be God's wrath. > > > Run for your lives, God's pissed off! Silly stuff mon, just silly! > > > On Sep 29, 8:39 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Very interesting, Slip. This is the passage of the bible I have been > > > contemplating for several weeks. The meaning wasn't clear to me until > > > I read a translation of the bible that had Abraham naming the mountain > > > where he took Isaac to sacrifice "The Lord Provides." I don't think > > > this is really a passage about killing our children, although there > > > are plenty of opinions in that vein to be found. I think it is the > > > passage that explains to us the process of the manifestation of our > > > experience, and the necessity to let go of our own goals or creations, > > > and sacrifice our suffering (the ram in the thorns) so that it is out > > > of the way and the our highest potential can become manifest. I find > > > hope in this passage, and instruction. > > > > On Sep 29, 8:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes of course, communicate with God alone, happened the other day, > > > > then he told me to kill my son, said like Abraham, said not to worry > > > > that he wont die, I said 'wont that be attempted murder'? God said > > > > "yes, but don't worry, I'm God and I'll have you out in 5-10 with good > > > > behavior and if you read my book that will be easy!" > > > > > On Sep 29, 6:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 28 Sep, 17:39, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Emotions can be expressed in isolation. > > > > > > Absolutely. In that way, we communicate our feelings to God alone. > > > > > Not that God doesn't receive the messages when we are NOT alone, but > > > > > He is the only receiver when we ARE alone. > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 11:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 27 Sep, 17:13, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives? How does > > > > > > > > emotion > > > > > > > > affect our experience and being? These are questions addressed > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > some of the finest minds of our era. > > > > > > > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action emanating > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations emitted by > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a universe > > > > > > > > comprised > > > > > > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to initiate a > > > > > > > > series of > > > > > > > > mechanistic interactions between objects. Piaget reduces all > > > > > > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation of these > > > > > > > > causal > > > > > > > > relations. His abstract concept of emotion as force fails to > > > > > > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, emotions, and > > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > forms of consciousness in human beings. > > > > > > > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human nature > > > > > > > > which go > > > > > > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our apprehension > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > these permanent features of order in the world. His concrete > > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > of emotion gives insight into the experience of bodily feelings > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > their relationship to the growth and learning of human beings. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > explains the emotions are the crucial mediating factors between > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > welter of awareness of these feelings in higher organisms. “We > > > > > > > > perceive other things which are in the world of actualities in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same sense as we are. So our emotions are directed toward > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > things, including of course, our bodily organs . . . the world > > > > > > > > for me > > > > > > > > is nothing else than how the functioning of my body present it > > > > > > > > for my > > > > > > > > experience.” > > > > > > > > > Jean Paul Sartre sees it differently in his book, The Emotions, > > > > > > > > Outline of a Theory. He sees our emotion as an “abrupt drop of > > > > > > > > consciousness into the magical.” He believes: “emotion is not > > > > > > > > accidental modification of a subject which would otherwise be > > > > > > > > plunged > > > > > > > > into an unchanged world. It is easy to see that every emotional > > > > > > > > apprehension of an object which frightens, irritates, sadness, > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > can be made only on the basis of a total alteration of the > > > > > > > > world. In > > > > > > > > order that an object may in reality appear terrible, it must > > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > itself as an immediate and magical presence face to face with > > > > > > > > consciousness.“ In other words, we modify our experience with > > > > > > > > emotion > > > > > > > > to make it more comfortable, according to our own nature. We > > > > > > > > emote > > > > > > > > sadness, anger or gloom because “lacking the power and will to > > > > > > > > accomplish the acts which we have been planning, we behave in > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > way that the universe no longer requires anything of us.” > > > > > > > > > What do YOU think? > > > > > > > > As for me, I see emotions as the outward expression of inner > > > > > > > feelings. They are the way we communicate our inner feelings to > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > around us. So, emotions are a form of communication of data (our > > > > > > > inner feelings) to those who cannot (and, perhaps, could not) > > > > > > > perceive > > > > > > > them (the feelings) in an obvious way.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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