On 1 Oct, 17:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> "...your rants(!?) are a functional part of the universe upon which,
> for the time being (your life-span, that is), the universe
> occassionally requires. ;-)" - Pat
>
> *** chuckles ***
>
Well, it's true. And it's true even if the rant happens to be
against me. In those particular cases, it's incumbent upon me to
understand the Buddhist concept of 'acceptance'. ;-)
> On Oct 1, 9:34 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 1 Oct, 16:35, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Neil, to be clear, in no way do I consider scientism as ‘the enemy’.
> > > That sort of thinking has its place even though it doesn’t answer any
> > > of the larger human questions. You are correct, there is so much more
> > > to know and learn. I even learned stuff from ‘ol Midgely through an
> > > article on Theosophy!
>
> > > Recently I have come to more of an inner truce when it comes to
> > > apparent dichotomies of wisdom/knowledge, data/gnosis, ‘facts’/direct
> > > apprehension. Similar to what I was told as a kid, that all should be
> > > allowed to express their thoughts, I now see the wisdom of simple
> > > presentations of all thoughts, no matter the source. People can
> > > discriminate much easier/better when not in a dialectical mood. Of
> > > course, I cannot promise to abide by the NMOR principle (No More Orn
> > > Rants)!!! :-)
>
> > I certainly hope you don't. your rants(!?) are a functional part
> > of the universe upon which, for the time being (your life-span, that
> > is), the universe occassionally requires. ;-)
>
> > > On Oct 1, 6:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > Sign me up for the Scientism Orn - do we all get a magnetic resonance
> > > > machine? I note these opportunists have neglected the very wide body
> > > > of literature you have indicated over the last couple of years. I
> > > > remember reading a learned article that stated little attention had
> > > > been paid to 'management learning' - I was reading this whilst a
> > > > member of a centre for the study of 'management learning' formed some
> > > > 10 years before. It is, of course, common practice to state an area
> > > > is unresearched. There is generally more in a Gabbyesce one-liner
> > > > than this article. I have learned much more from you and others in
> > > > here than this kind of pretended science could ever offer. One should
> > > > not, old chap, merely offer up the worst the opposition can muster!
> > > > I rather liked the Alan Wallace stuff - what I felt I wanted was a
> > > > joint commentary on what this kind of reasoning does for us - though
> > > > preferably one that doesn't swamp my emails as the Witters one I
> > > > looked at recently after its introduction here. I was moved - partly
> > > > in the relief of 'listening' to another doing some kind of justice to
> > > > argument in principle accessible to us all. It was Gabby who pointed
> > > > me to an article by Mary Midgely available in a list I posted as
> > > > available free at Philosophy Now - this ends by saying the 'least
> > > > worst' position is 'listening' to a kind of inner committee rather
> > > > than one-dimensional Rationality (perhaps a strange way to come to a
> > > > 'first reading'!) - one can glean a little from almost anything,
> > > > including this article. A real scientific approach should not neglect
> > > > experience in a very general sense, even if its purpose is to expose
> > > > problems in that experience or expose it as just plain wrong. I
> > > > suspect there is a great deal of scientific evidence for a religious
> > > > position open to evidence - one does not have to fall for scientism in
> > > > adopting this, or fall for tradition, revelation, or deny 'messages'
> > > > we can experience in a religious sense - questioning remains (as
> > > > Wallace points out very well).
>
> > > > Apparently some way from anything we might discuss on this, is the
> > > > Vanessa George case in the UK. This woman, now known to be a very
> > > > serious child abuser, appeared happy and caring to all around her for
> > > > over ten years. Today she is being sentence for abuse so horrible the
> > > > news is shying away from telling us what it was. Parents with kids at
> > > > the nursery at which she worked now live not knowing whether their
> > > > children have been abused. We can be very wrong in our assessments of
> > > > people, science, religion and so on. This should not stop us trying
> > > > to find better positions and some way to incorporate all evidence in
> > > > what we can do in introspection and its translation in mutual
> > > > understanding. There is much worse than scientific pedantry to cope
> > > > with!
>
> > > > On 1 Oct, 07:22, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > ...for those interested in Scientism.
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> > > > >http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00...text
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