huh! Somebody said beer?
On 5 Oct, 16:39, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> You assume we survived the truel Orn!
>
> The blackguard Harrington in full flight
> Shook hands with Gandalf, so vain a sight.
> They should have bothered air traffic control,
> Broomsticks butchered by RAF patrol.
> A nearby copper said 'ello 'ello and
> Orn and All scarpered before affray
> Spoiled glowing dusk of Riverbank's day.
> Morning's ruin brought the thought,
> Had beer cured or brought
> In dream the tribulation.
>
> On 2 Oct, 04:23, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Excelent offering Neil! More!
>
> > On Oct 1, 5:23 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Ornery Orn ranting pants
> > > Seams of gold split hairs
> > > Tibetan monks chant to trance
> > > A universe at rest in prayers.
> > > Pat full of all acceptance
> > > Sharpens marshal tools to gleaming
> > > Bluster.
> > > Neil polishes scientific beads
> > > With feather fluster
> > > The truel around for all to muster!
>
> > > On 1 Oct, 17:48, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 1 Oct, 17:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > "...your rants(!?) are a functional part of the universe upon which,
> > > > > for the time being (your life-span, that is), the universe
> > > > > occassionally requires. ;-)" - Pat
>
> > > > > *** chuckles ***
>
> > > > Well, it's true. And it's true even if the rant happens to be
> > > > against me. In those particular cases, it's incumbent upon me to
> > > > understand the Buddhist concept of 'acceptance'. ;-)
>
> > > > > On Oct 1, 9:34 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 1 Oct, 16:35, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Neil, to be clear, in no way do I consider scientism as ‘the
> > > > > > > enemy’.
> > > > > > > That sort of thinking has its place even though it doesn’t answer
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > of the larger human questions. You are correct, there is so much
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > to know and learn. I even learned stuff from ‘ol Midgely through
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > article on Theosophy!
>
> > > > > > > Recently I have come to more of an inner truce when it comes to
> > > > > > > apparent dichotomies of wisdom/knowledge, data/gnosis,
> > > > > > > ‘facts’/direct
> > > > > > > apprehension. Similar to what I was told as a kid, that all
> > > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > allowed to express their thoughts, I now see the wisdom of simple
> > > > > > > presentations of all thoughts, no matter the source. People can
> > > > > > > discriminate much easier/better when not in a dialectical mood. Of
> > > > > > > course, I cannot promise to abide by the NMOR principle (No More
> > > > > > > Orn
> > > > > > > Rants)!!! :-)
>
> > > > > > I certainly hope you don't. your rants(!?) are a functional
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > of the universe upon which, for the time being (your life-span, that
> > > > > > is), the universe occassionally requires. ;-)
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 1, 6:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Sign me up for the Scientism Orn - do we all get a magnetic
> > > > > > > > resonance
> > > > > > > > machine? I note these opportunists have neglected the very
> > > > > > > > wide body
> > > > > > > > of literature you have indicated over the last couple of years.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > remember reading a learned article that stated little attention
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > been paid to 'management learning' - I was reading this whilst a
> > > > > > > > member of a centre for the study of 'management learning'
> > > > > > > > formed some
> > > > > > > > 10 years before. It is, of course, common practice to state an
> > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > is unresearched. There is generally more in a Gabbyesce
> > > > > > > > one-liner
> > > > > > > > than this article. I have learned much more from you and
> > > > > > > > others in
> > > > > > > > here than this kind of pretended science could ever offer. One
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > not, old chap, merely offer up the worst the opposition can
> > > > > > > > muster!
> > > > > > > > I rather liked the Alan Wallace stuff - what I felt I wanted
> > > > > > > > was a
> > > > > > > > joint commentary on what this kind of reasoning does for us -
> > > > > > > > though
> > > > > > > > preferably one that doesn't swamp my emails as the Witters one I
> > > > > > > > looked at recently after its introduction here. I was moved -
> > > > > > > > partly
> > > > > > > > in the relief of 'listening' to another doing some kind of
> > > > > > > > justice to
> > > > > > > > argument in principle accessible to us all. It was Gabby who
> > > > > > > > pointed
> > > > > > > > me to an article by Mary Midgely available in a list I posted as
> > > > > > > > available free at Philosophy Now - this ends by saying the
> > > > > > > > 'least
> > > > > > > > worst' position is 'listening' to a kind of inner committee
> > > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > than one-dimensional Rationality (perhaps a strange way to come
> > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > 'first reading'!) - one can glean a little from almost anything,
> > > > > > > > including this article. A real scientific approach should not
> > > > > > > > neglect
> > > > > > > > experience in a very general sense, even if its purpose is to
> > > > > > > > expose
> > > > > > > > problems in that experience or expose it as just plain wrong. I
> > > > > > > > suspect there is a great deal of scientific evidence for a
> > > > > > > > religious
> > > > > > > > position open to evidence - one does not have to fall for
> > > > > > > > scientism in
> > > > > > > > adopting this, or fall for tradition, revelation, or deny
> > > > > > > > 'messages'
> > > > > > > > we can experience in a religious sense - questioning remains (as
> > > > > > > > Wallace points out very well).
>
> > > > > > > > Apparently some way from anything we might discuss on this, is
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Vanessa George case in the UK. This woman, now known to be a
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > serious child abuser, appeared happy and caring to all around
> > > > > > > > her for
> > > > > > > > over ten years. Today she is being sentence for abuse so
> > > > > > > > horrible the
> > > > > > > > news is shying away from telling us what it was. Parents with
> > > > > > > > kids at
> > > > > > > > the nursery at which she worked now live not knowing whether
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > children have been abused. We can be very wrong in our
> > > > > > > > assessments of
> > > > > > > > people, science, religion and so on. This should not stop us
> > > > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > > to find better positions and some way to incorporate all
> > > > > > > > evidence in
> > > > > > > > what we can do in introspection and its translation in mutual
> > > > > > > > understanding. There is much worse than scientific pedantry to
> > > > > > > > cope
> > > > > > > > with!
>
> > > > > > > > On 1 Oct, 07:22, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > ...for those interested in Scientism.
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> > > > > > > > >http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00...
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