On Oct 1, 5:13 pm, Justintruth <[email protected]> wro > > I didn't mean it was a trick literally. Its not a trick. Its real.<<JT
I know what you meant Justin that's why I added the lol. But you say 'it's real', so what is "real"? Does real exist? (You know I've been here too long when this exist stuff starts rubbing off on me) > I am not saying that God is all that is. I am denying that. I never > said that. When I say that God is Being I do not mean that he is > everything that is. Everything that is is planets and stars and etc > etc. That is not God. Now the fact that everything is. That is > different from what it is. What it is is natural. <<JT Ah 'natural' yes of course but what determines what is natural? The fact (oops did you say "fact"? What is fact? I certainly couldn't present anything as fact) that it is > is supernatural. That means that the fact (fact?) that it is is not what it > is. Do you see that? (no I'm blind) It is in the latter that that God lies. (God is a liar? "lol") God is > supernatural not natural. (I think I already have an understanding of the supernatural, you speak as if you are addressing a novice, when in fact I've been through all this biblical, supernatural and mystical stuff for over 40 years, fact is I've heard the voice of God and the visual and voice of Jesus, whether it was real or not is another story, Chris seems to chalk it up to DMT while I was comatose, but since I have always been a non believer of such things I found it rather strange that I should come across such an experience, I might mention that a priest was called upon to administer last rites, modern day sacraments of the sick, then I somehow came back to this godforsaken place) > Simplistic creation? Where did you get that from? Not me. No Justin, not you, the bible, Genesis, Creation, like what, seven days? funny how seven is such a wonderful number for the authors of this perpetual hoax. . > IF scripture, as you point out, has other non > > contextual meaning then for sure, as I pointed out, it therefore is a > > more complex collection of Aesop's fables than the word of God. SD > > In a sense you are right. (wow, I'm right, in a sense, oh lordy) You see > fairy tales and other myths also > hold truths about metaphysical reality. And they also are not literal. (naw, > really?) > But what gives them their power is that, in spite of the fact that > they are not literally true, they still capture a form of truth. (form of > truth? sounds like another thread) They are about something deep - wickedness > and fear and all kinds of > things. In the extreme, if they are truly inspired (poetry is inspired too), > then they also are > the word of god. (Word of God? why do they have to be the word of God? Why > can't they just be some words out of my mind or the mind of a poet or > philosopher?) > Look at Noah and the great flood story, the building of the Ark for two of > > each kind male and female etc. Why would a supernatural omni-all > > being have to save anything when all of it could just be re-created? SD Oops, Justin, you left off my last line, why did you do that, I clearly stated that is was just another "story" and now you are saying that I am taking it literally when it is clear that I am not. > > Again, you are taking it literally. The meaning of that story has to > do with how we respond to life. (this is obviously Justin's personal > understanding of it) It is not that there was a real flood. No kidding? Not a real flood? Then why has there been this massive undertaking to find the ark, like somewhere in turkey. Noah's Ark supposedly landed on the mountains of Ararat some 4000 or more years ago. > > > It's just another story about punishment over man's wickedness.<<SD > > No it is not. It is about how to steer through the wickedness. (I'm sorry, I > missed the part where I said it was about how to steer through wickedness, > could you C&P that?) How, by > following the most crazy advice that you hear that you can emerge ok > in the end. Its about survival and husbandry. Its about believing your > deepest instincts. (really? and how do you arrive at such notions?) > > I feel the bible is a book of metaphor and allegory > > written by common man in his time, with common means and > > understanding. There is nothing you can explain that can present it > > as the word of God even if it is necessary to have a word, which I > > doubt. >>SD > > Well I am not sure it was written by a common man, (I didn't say "a common > man" I said "common man") but that aside, if > it was that does not mean it was not the word of God. The question is > what was in the person writing at the time. (What was IN the person was > probably a gallon of homemade wine) > > But let's say for argument sake that God really wanted to say > > something, would it be a good idea to say it through the people he was > > trying to say it to or would it be better to say it in a supernatural > > way, like a giant glowing orb that talks?<<SD > > Excellent question. Its the: Why does God form rocks question? (No Justin > it's not the why does God form rocks question, it's the why doesn't God speak > in terms of the supernatural question) Frankly > I have never seen this one answered. I have seen some lame attempts > where God is sort of maintaining a set for us so that we have free > will. (Yes, and that's good but at the instance of evoking the free will it becomes a moot point to issue rules and regulations, it's like when my kid leaves home at 20 years old and I say "Okay, your on you own, just make sure you follow my rules", so that doesn't make sense) That is the closest. But I think it misses the point. I don't > know the real answer. (You don't know the answer, wow, I find that hard to > believe, why don't you just make one up?) The only other clue I might have is its sort of > like two lovers who are sitting next to each other one chattering away > and the other waiting and hoping in silence that the other will shut > up and just look at them and understand. It is like God creates the > silence until we are on track and not running at the mouth. Then he > speaks. (Speaks in lightning and thunder, typhoons and tsunamis, earthquakes > and mudslides, hurricanes and tornadoes, head on collisions and plane > crashes, diseases and plagues, droughts and famines, politicians and > genocides, armies of death? Praise the Lord, "lol") > > People for some reason are captivated by antiquity, archaeological > > digs are indicative of man's incessant search for answers to our > > origin, surely ancient scriptures are going to be placed high on the > > scale of pertinence. >>SD > > This is a contemporary phenomenon. It is not ancient. (I'm sorry I missed > the part where I said it was an ancient practice, how could one even think it > wasn't contemporary when we are digging up what IS ancient?) > > If it were not for humanity there would be no > > need for explanations, scriptures, gods and religion. Man wants to be > > God and so through scripture has become God. People don't worship God > > they worship Man who has created a scenario in which Man becomes God > > in the form of a human baby through a virgin birth. Anyone at the > > time could logically reason that if it weren't a virgin birth then the > > baby would just be another person. I have to admit the stories are > > very creative and do lend a great deal of understanding and guidance > > for those who otherwise would be left to wander about lackadaisically > > and without direction. I guess that's when the devil is gonna get > > you.<<SD > > There is a lot more too it than that. The new Adam as they (who is they? and > not the guy who legally changed his name to They) say. Its > about how to conquer original sin which is the blindness and ignorance > that is causing all of the problem. Really? Well exactly what makes it original sin? Look we're here, let's live and enjoy life, let's share our prosperity and wealth, our knowledge and gifts, let's drop all this nonsensical religiousity and begin to transform the world into our own paradise, because the "FACT" is that religion and all it's claim has had enough time to do something but obviously it hasn't done anything, it has accomplished "Nothing". > > > The only difference between us and the animal kingdom is our ability > > to reason...SD > > We are animals in every sense of the word and animals reason, not just > our species. We are primates. > > .... which we use to reason that there must be a God that created all this > and hey while were at it, we are so great that we must have been created in > God's image... > > It is not because we are human, it is because we are sentient... > > and let's also throw in that we are God's > > > 'chosen people', > > That is just a myth from one religion. It is not a universal > principle. I am not belittling its religious significance but it is > not just egomania. Again you miss the point. (Point? I thought I was making > a point) > > > Religious Wars? While modern warfare and a direct link to religion is > > debatable there is substantial evidence that religion plays a part in > > the mentality of the participants involved in modern wars. Does Jihad > > rise up out of Islam or some hippie commune? Do terrorists yell Allah > > or what? Let's get real Justin.<<SD > > Why don't you get real. Add up the number of dead (I'm tired of adding up > dead people) killed in the last > hundred years and compare it to the number killed in non-religious > conflicts. Check it out. Look at the data. (Why don't you cite the data?) As > you say.... get real. > (You shouldn't buy the "war on terror" propaganda. (I don't buy it, never > said or intimated that I did) That is not even a > war, or, if it is its the smallest war we've ever been in.) Now if bin > laden had waited till he had the Pakisani nukes... then it could have > been a real war. Thank God he did not. (Thank God? For what? People like Bin > Laden?) > > > Regardless, history is strewn with religious warfare and the future > > most likely wont be exempt. > > Of course not. But it has nothing to do with actual religion. Don't > you see that? (Nope, don't see it) Its just that you can use religion to > incite > subspeciation in us. That gives you the "us" that allows you to "lead > us" and in that is the attainment of power. "You" control "us". > > You should give this another look. Its not just smoke and mirrors. You > are missing the point. (The Point, I'm missing the Point?) Point is Justin, that humanity, as a whole, is clueless and feverishly seeks to unite in some form of common thought so as to feel or even better to not have to worry about feeling anything. It's all about "Mob" mentality and everyone regardless of personal belief or persuasion succumbs to the ideals of the mob. The military is the mob, mindless robots who swear their own souls away to obey a command, no different than march of the wooden soldiers, terminator machines without consciousness. Every barbarian had them, Hitler used them to kill, Saddam used them, every leader uses them, "humanity is up for grabs". The most profound statement ever uttered on the face of the earth is that of Jesus in stating "........they know not what they do", Well that is by far the truth of it all, as I said, humanity is up for grabs and one look at the world today will reveal that there are many out there doing the grabbing. I don't care if you are an evangelist, a politician, an artist or a rock musician, sure enough there will be throngs of people out there for you to get hold of. Sure it is a phenomenon, a quirk of nature but it is what it is and when Oprah says don't eat meat everyone stops eating it, if the Rabbi says its bad it's bad, blah blah blah the list goes on. People are like sheep, which brings on the next most profound statement by our own illustrious moderator, Ornamental Mind, "We the Sheeple of the United States" (hope it's original orn You know, as an aside, Orn was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, all the other kids had tongues. lol --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
